[Nfbc-sj] February Minutes
Brian Buhrow
buhrow at nfbcal.org
Tue Feb 19 18:08:20 PST 2019
hello Kevin. Glad to do it.
Regarding the Waymo discussion, did you guys discuss the blind
pedestrian's perspective at all? This seems like an area of research
that's getting short shrift, especially since all tests are currently
conducted with a backup driver in the car. In the rare event the
car encounters a blind or otherwise disabled pedestrian, I'm pretty sure
the backup driver will roll down the window and talk to the pedestrian and
communicate their position, at the very least, or otherwise affect a
disengagement and take manual control until the pedestrian has passed. For
traffic signals, I'm not so concerned. The signal tells when the car
should go and, assuming the autonomous vehicle follows the rules, the
pedestrian will know what the car is doing and when. What concerns me is
something like the following:
Pedestrian comes up on a cross street with a stop sign. The pedestrian
notices a car waiting at the stop sign to make a turn onto the street
parallel with the pedestrian. The pedestrian waves the car on. It doesn't
move. ( It flashes a sign on its window saying it's waiting for the
pedestrian -- pedestrian doesn't know this.) The pedestrian waves, waits,
waves, waits and waves again but nothing happens. Finally, the pedestrian
times out and begins crossing in front of the vehicle. Questions:
1. Will the vehicle wait forever for the pedestrian to cross?
2. If not, how long will it wait?
3. If both pedestrian and automobile time out simultaneously, will the
vehicle notice and stop for the pedestrian again?
In arizona, the pedestrian who was killed was walking a bicycle. The
car didn't recognize the object as a pedestrian. Will these cars recognize
pedestrians with guide dogs as pedestrians? What about people pulling
suitcases or carts/baskets? I'm assuming they've tested pedestrians
pushing strollers or carts/baskets, but blind people using canes will be
pushing their canes while pulling other things.
Thanks for the update.
-thanks
-Brian
On Feb 19, 4:53pm, Kevin Andrews wrote:
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} Thanks Kyle! Brian, thank you for facilitating in my absence.
}
} I've had family in town for the past several days and work's been
} substantially busy as well. My apologies I didn't get this out to y'all
} sooner.
}
} I spoke with Heather Aijian, who is in charge of the public affairs with
} Waymo, with support from Anil Lewis and John Pare at the national office in
} Baltimore back on January 31. I followed up with Heather last week and
} received this response earlier this afternoon:
}
} Hi Kevin,
}
} We are working hard to get a time on the books! My team is in Phoenix most
} of March so we will circle back with you at the beginning of Q2 once we've
} had
} time to nail down a few more details. We've connected with our product team
} and they are excited to work with you on this. Apologies this isn't a faster
} moving process, we are just a team of two and want to make sure we get all
} the appropriate parties involved.
} Be in touch soon!
}
}
} Well, you heard it straight from the source. I anticipate this will pick up
} in the next couple of months. But myself and our national contacts stressed
} the potential this has to permanently change the way millions of people who
} can not drive, many of whom are blind or severely low vision, and improve
} mobility for these folks. Nonvisual accessibility was a forefront of that
} conversation, and any information which is communicated visually to the
} passenger should be communicated in a nonvisual manner. Heather didn't know
} what the tests/demonstrations would look like. I will keep you all apprised
} as I get more information.
}
} On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 12:53 PM Kyle Garcia <kgarcia2432 at gmail.com> wrote:
}
} > Hi everyone,
} >
} > Attached are the minutes from the February 16th meeting. The next meeting
} > will be on March 16th also at the MLK Library at 3:00pm. Hopefully we will
} > have the same room, 392, but that won't be known for sure until Tuesday
} > March 12th. I will update the chapter information phone line shortly. As a
} > reminder that number is 669-223-0865, and messages left there are monitored
} > by both me and Kevin.
} >
} > Regards,
} > Kyle Garcia
} > Treasurer, San Jose Chapter of the National Federation of the Blind of
} > California
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} Best,
} Kevin Andrews
} Email: kevin.andrews94 at gmail.com
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} <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks Kyle! Brian, thank you for facilit=
} ating in my absence.<div><br></div><div>I've had family in town for the=
} past several days and work's been substantially busy as well. My apolo=
} gies I didn't get this out to y'all sooner.</div><div><br></div><di=
} v>I spoke with Heather Aijian, who is in charge of the public affairs with =
} Waymo, with support from Anil Lewis and John Pare at the national office in=
} Baltimore back on January 31. I followed up with Heather last week and rec=
} eived this response earlier this afternoon:</div><div><br></div><div>Hi Kev=
} in,=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>We are working hard to get a time on the=
} books! My team is in Phoenix most of March so we will circle back with you=
} at the beginning of Q2 once we've had</div><div>time to nail down a fe=
} w more details. We've connected with our product team and they are exci=
} ted to work with you on this. Apologies this isn't a faster</div><div>m=
} oving process, we are just a team of two and want to make sure we get all t=
} he appropriate parties involved.=C2=A0</div><div>Be in touch soon!=C2=A0</d=
} iv><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Well, you heard it straight from the =
} source. I anticipate this will pick up in the next couple of months. But my=
} self and our national contacts stressed the potential this has to permanent=
} ly change the way millions of people who can not drive, many of whom are bl=
} ind or severely low vision, and improve mobility for these folks. Nonvisual=
} accessibility was a forefront of that conversation, and any information wh=
} ich is communicated visually to the passenger should be communicated in a n=
} onvisual manner. Heather didn't know what the tests/demonstrations woul=
} d look like. I will keep you all apprised as I get more information.</div><=
} /div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
} ttr">On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 12:53 PM Kyle Garcia <<a href=3D"mailto:kga=
} rcia2432 at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kgarcia2432 at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<=
} br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
} x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
} >Hi everyone,<div><br></div><div>Attached are the minutes from the February=
} 16th meeting. The next meeting will be on March 16th also at the MLK Libra=
} ry at 3:00pm. Hopefully we will have the same room, 392, but that won't=
} be known for sure until Tuesday March 12th. I will update the chapter info=
} rmation phone line shortly. As a reminder that number is 669-223-0865, and =
} messages left there are monitored by both me and Kevin.</div><div><br></div=
} ><div>Regards,</div><div>Kyle Garcia</div><div>Treasurer, San Jose Chapter =
} of the National Federation of the Blind of California</div></div>
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} class=3D"gmail-m_-2491724469025601036gmail-m_6662980077608635887gmail-m_19=
} 39973025952663277gmail-m_-7978952125136330277gmail_signature">Best,<br>Kevi=
} n Andrews<br>Email: <a href=3D"mailto:kevin.andrews94 at gmail.com" target=3D"=
} _blank">kevin.andrews94 at gmail.com</a><br>Mobile Telephone: (248) 508-8569<b=
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