[Cagdu] FW: SB 475 (Padilla)
Jonathan Lyens
jonathan at lyens.com
Fri Mar 27 16:55:19 PDT 2009
Hi Ken,
Thank you for your comments. Your "PS Mr. Lynes, you know exactly what
this is about so be a person." I find troubling.
All my email was intended to do was to was to encourage some level of
discussion. We can't simply have this knee-jerk reaction of "anything
government ran we don't like". We as an organization may have very
legitimate issues with the Board and/or with this bill. If that is the
case, let's put those on the table. Let's make our voices heard on a
state-wide level.
I don't know what the will of the affiliate is around this issue, but I
think we have to have something a bit more articulated than "I don't
like it because they're trying to divide and conquer". Whatever our
stance is, either in favor or otherwise, let's articulate it well and
back it up with facts. That should be the letter we send regarding this
bill.
If we continue to say a simple no to anything we are confronted with,
without any support for what we believe, guess what. Those in power,
such as the board, will very soon stop coming to us asking for our
opinion.
You can tell me to "be a person" as much as you want, but it doesn't
detract from the need for the NFBC to take a well crafted stance. I'm
happy to help do that, but I need real factually based reasons for our
stance.
Respectfully,
Jonathan Lyens
Jonathan T. Lyens MPA
Email: jonathan at lyens.com
Fax: (321) 256-8896
Skype: jlyens
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From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On
Behalf Of Ken Volonte
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:19 PM
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] FW: SB 475 (Padilla)
The concern I have with the letter ostensibly from Mary is the confusion
it was meant to cause. This is a strategy on the part of the guide dog
board to divide and conquer.
If this were just a question of the licensing fee, I have no problem
with that so long as the board understands that its jurisdiction is
limited to California schools. This is more than that. This is
funneling extorted money to a specific school. If this is something
else, then the bill needs to be more clear. A fee by any other name is
still a tax.
This next point may sound picky, but it's relevant to the argument.
The language in the original charter for the Guide Dog Board is wrong.
The board was not really set up to deal with "maverick schools", It was
set up to deal with fly by night trainers who were charging returning
veterans to train guide dogs for them. By the way, there are still
trainers who are doing this and the board doesn't seem to care. I
gotta go. PS Mr. Lynes, you know exactly what this is about so be a
person.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Lyens <mailto:jonathan at lyens.com>
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] FW: SB 475 (Padilla)
Hi All,
I've heard through this discussion that there are people that
have "concerns" about the draft letter sent. I'm wondering if examples
of where those concerns are in the letter can be pointed out. I think if
we have examples of people's concerns, we can have a more in depth
discussion.
I am not saying how I feel about this letter, because I truly
don't know. I have not had a chance to read the legislation it is in
support of. But, I'd like to hear colleagues tangible concerns in order
to discuss.
Respectfully,
Jonathan
Jonathan T. Lyens MPA
Email: jonathan at lyens.com
Fax: (321) 256-8896
Skype: jlyens
________________________________
From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org]
On Behalf Of Shannon L. Dillon
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:44 AM
To: CAGDU
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] FW: SB 475 (Padilla)
Sorry for the confusion.
SHANNON L. DILLON
> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:38:22 -0700
> From: rstigile at sbcglobal.net
> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] FW: SB 475 (Padilla)
>
> Hello Shannon,
> I appreciate you letting me know that.
> I was quite concerned when I saw that letter.
> Thanks,
>
> Robert Stigile
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Shannon L. Dillon" <shannonldillon at hotmail.com
> >To: CAGDU <cagdu at nfbcal.org
> >Date sent: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:48:09 -0700
> >Subject: Re: [Cagdu] FW: SB 475 (Padilla)
>
>
> >Hi Robert:
>
>
>
> >No, Mary did not write the letter. Antonette, or someone from
> the board, wrote a draft letter that they wanted the NFB to
sign
> onto. They contacted Mary about signing onto the letter. I
> think they must have provided that draft letter like we
provide
> draft letters sometimes to people to make it easier for them
to
> support something. Like the draft letter we provided in
support
> of Fred Schroeder this year. Anyway, Mary forwarded the letter
> onto to me to share with CAGDU and respond to. She did not
> support the letter. She said that she has told Antonette that
> she does not think we can support the Board. I don't know why
> Mary's name is on the letter. Maybe whoever wrote the draft
> included it on there. But Mary did not write the letter
> supporting the board.
>
>
>
> >SHANNON L. DILLON
>
>
>
> >> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:49:12 -0700
> >> From: rstigile at sbcglobal.net
> >> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] FW: SB 475 (Padilla)
>
> >> Hello Shannon,
> >> Ok, I am confused, I saw a recent post that you sent, that
> showed
> >> a letter from Mary in support of this bill.
> >> Did Mary write that letter, it has her name on it from what
I
> >> see.
> >> Thanks,
>
> >> Robert Stigile
>
>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Shannon L. Dillon" <shannonldillon at hotmail.com
> >>>To: CAGDU <cagdu at nfbcal.org
> >>>Date sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:44:59 -0700
> >>>Subject: Re: [Cagdu] FW: SB 475 (Padilla)
>
>
> >>>I do not support the letter. I think they make a lot of
> >> statements that they cannot back up in that letter. I think
we
> >> definitely need to let Senator Padilla know that we do not
> >> support it.
>
> >>>SHANNON L. DILLON
>
>
>
> >>>> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:12:27 -0700
> >>>> From: rstigile at sbcglobal.net
> >>>> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] FW: SB 475 (Padilla)
>
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>> I am not sure what gave them that idea, but I do not
support
> >> this
> >>>> letter.
> >>>> I would like to know, what the rest of you think.
> >>>> Thanks,
>
> >>>> Robert Stigile
>
>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>From: "tina thomas " <tinadt at sbcglobal.net
> >>>>>To: <cagdu at nfbcal.org
> >>>>>Date sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:44:59 -0700
> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Cagdu] FW: SB 475 (Padilla)
>
> >>>>>Hey Shannon- Thanks for the clarification. I wonder what
gave
> >>>> the board the
> >>>>>idea that NFBC would support this bill.
> >>>>>Tina
>
>
> >>>>>"Trust your own instinct. Your mistakes might as well be
your
> >>>> own instead of
> >>>>>someone else's."
> >>>>>- Billy Wilder
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>>> _____
>
> >>>>>From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org
[mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org]
> >>>> On Behalf
> >>>>>Of Shannon L. Dillon
> >>>>>Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:41 PM
> >>>>>To: CAGDU
> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Cagdu] FW: SB 475 (Padilla)
>
>
> >>>>>No, Mary did not write this letter of support. It is a
draft
> >>>> letter written
> >>>>>by the State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind. They were
hoping
> >>>> we would
> >>>>>sign on to it.
>
> >>>>>SHANNON L. DILLON
>
>
>
>
> >>>>> _____
>
> >>>>>From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net
> >>>>>To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
> >>>>>Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:46:53 -0700
> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Cagdu] FW: SB 475 (Padilla)
>
>
> >>>>>Hi Shannon- I need some clarification on this letter of
support
> >>>> by the NFBC.
> >>>>>Mary did not write this letter of support?
> >>>>>Tina
>
> >>>>>"Trust your own instinct. Your mistakes might as well be
your
> >>>> own instead of
> >>>>>someone else's."
> >>>>>- Billy Wilder
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>>> _____
>
> >>>>>From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org
[mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org]
> >>>> On Behalf
> >>>>>Of Shannon L. Dillon
> >>>>>Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:25 AM
> >>>>>To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
> >>>>>Subject: [Cagdu] FW: SB 475 (Padilla)
>
>
> >>>>>Sorry, everyone, this time the e-mail includes the
attachments I
> >>>> meant to be
> >>>>>included last time. Don't know what happened before....
>
> >>>>>SHANNON L. DILLON
>
>
>
>
> >>>>> _____
>
> >>>>>From: mwillows at sbcglobal.net
> >>>>>To: shannonldillon at hotmail.com
> >>>>>Subject: Fw: SB 475 (Padilla)
> >>>>>Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:39:34 -0700
>
>
>
> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>From: Antonette_Sorrick at dca.ca.gov
> >>>>>To: mwillows at sbcglobal.net
> >>>>>Cc: bbarragan at lif.org ; acandela at dor.ca.gov
> >>>>>Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 3:44 PM
> >>>>>Subject: SB 475 (Padilla)
>
>
> >>>>>Mary:
>
> >>>>>This e-mail is a follow up to the voicemail I left on
your phone
> >>>> today. The
> >>>>>Board has a bill number for its annual school renewal
payment
> >>>> legislation.
> >>>>>SB 475 (Padilla) will set the statutory limit on the
Board's
> >>>> school renewal
> >>>>>payment while setting the exact rate via regulation. The
bill
> >>>> can be
> >>>>>accessed online at
>
>>>>>http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_475
>
>>>>><http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_475&sess
> >>>> =CUR&house=
> >>>>>B&site=sen> &sess=CUR&house=B&site=sen
>
> >>>>>I have also attached a word document of the legislation
along
> >>>> with an
> >>>>>amended draft letter of support from NFB, California.
Thank you
> >>>> for your
> >>>>>consideration and have a wonderful weekend.
>
> >>>>>Antonette Sorrick
> >>>>>Executive Officer
> >>>>>State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind
> >>>>>1625 North Market Blvd., Suite S-202
> >>>>>Sacramento, CA 95834
> >>>>>(916) 574-7825 phone
> >>>>>(916) 574-7829 fax
> >>>>>Antonette_Sorrick at dca.ca.gov
> >>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.
> >>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >>>>>Version: 8.5.283 / Virus Database: 270.11.29/2023 -
Release Date:
> >>>> 03/26/09
> >>>>>07:12:00
>
>
>
>
> >>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.
> >>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >>>>>Version: 8.5.283 / Virus Database: 270.11.29/2023 -
Release Date:
> >>>> 03/26/09
> >>>>>07:12:00
>
>
>
>
>
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