[Cagdu] guide dog puppies

[Ken Volonte]

Hi Jonathan.  Thanks for your advice.  I'll try to engage these principles, 
but I now find that there is more stuff going on having nothing to do with 
guide dogs.  It's a matter of new people at the top and contract 
negotiations; a turf war if you please.  I wanted to stay away from this 
toxic situation, but I'm in for it now.  Ken
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan Lyens" <jonathan at lyens.com>
To: <cagdu at nfbcal.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies


> Ken-
>
> Has anyone tried engaging in a formal dialogue with the district?
> Perhaps a letter to the district Superintendant with copies to all 4 of
> the principals of the high schools in question. This letter could
> articulate what the difference between guide dog puppies and pet dogs
> are. This letter could also spell out how vital this socialization is
> for a dog that will soon enough be responsible for guiding in such
> environments. This is particularly important as more and more schools
> are moving towards providing guides to blind people at younger ages (a
> point of contention worthy of a different discussion).
>
> I have no problem with your idea of a resolution. However, I think that
> immediate engagement with the school district could yield results more
> quickly. Its been my experience that most people just don't know any
> different. Often times, once educated, they can be lead to a more
> appropriate decision.
>
> Best-
>
> Jonathan
>
> Jonathan T. Lyens MPA
> Email: jonathan at lyens.com
> Fax: (321) 256-8896
> Skype: jlyens
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On
> Behalf Of Ken Volonte
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 4:41 PM
> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies
>
> Hi Robert and all.  There is a situation in the Manteca school district
> in
> which at least four high school students and a teacher have been denied
> permission to bring their puppies to school.  It didn't use to be that
> way,
> but some idiot teacher brought his pet dog to school and it bit someone.
>
>    It is important that puppies be allowed in schools for their own
> socialization.  What good does it do for a puppy to spend six hours a
> day in
> a crate or kennel away from people and activities?
>
>    Guide dog puppies are allowed in schools in Utah, Nevada and
> Colorado.
> In fact, schools and businesses can't discriminate against puppies in
> training.  In Nevada, it went all the way up to the state Supreme Court.
>
>    How could we sit on our hands while this happened!  It's not an
> issue
> from long ago, and if it was, this federation should have dealt with it
> head
> on.
>
>    I'll write a resolution, but I want cagdu's word that you will
> support
> me in this.  Let us take to the barricades again.  Ken
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "robert stigile" <rstigile at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <cagdu at nfbcal.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies
>
>
>> Hello Ken,
>> Can you explain a little more?
>> Yes, the puppies are not given the same rights as trained guides.
>> If a business wants to tell the puppy raiser, that they do not
>> want it in they have that right.
>> I have not seen this take place in a long time, but it can and
>> there is nothing that a puppy raiser can do.
>> A long time ago, the MTA in Los Angeles wouldn't let puppy
>> raisers bring the dog on the bus, but after many hours of
>> explaining how it can benefit, there is not an issue now.
>> You might want to consider a resolution about this, so that the
>> NFBC can work to change this.
>> Good luck,
>>
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Ken Volonte" <kenvolonte at comcast.net
>>>To: "Cagdu" <cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>>Date sent: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:16:50 -0700
>>>Subject: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies
>>
>>>Hi all.  We've got a situation in which guide dog puppies are not
>> being
>>>allowed into schools for their year's worth of socialization.
>> Are the
>>>puppies afforded the same protection under the law as guide dogs
>> are?  It
>>>seems as though they should be.  As things stand now, the dogs
>> are put in
>>>kennels for 6 hours a day while the raisers are at school.  This
>> is nuts!
>>>GDB says the puppies are not entitled to any protection at all.
>> If that's
>>>the case, then what's the point?
>>
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