[Cagdu] twice shafted
robert stigile
rstigile at sbcglobal.net
Sun Aug 26 18:47:43 PDT 2007
Hello Ken and All,
I agree with you Ken.
It is not their business to know that you are coming with a guide
dog in advance.
The only time I feel it is necessary to tell someone in advance
is when you are going on a cruise and they need to know so they
can provide adequate accomadations on the ship for the dog.
A concert hall, a sporting arena or airlines do not need to know
for they do not need to provide any additional accomadations
other then what they provide for any paying customer.
I hope this helps anyone who might be wondering.
Take care and good luck tomorrow Ken.
Regards,
Robert Stigile
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ken Volonte" <kenvolonte at comcast.net
>To: <cagdu at nfbcal.org
>Date sent: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:19:58 -0700
>Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted
>Hi gang. I'd like to respond to one suggestion that it really
helps to let
>people know ahead of time that you have a guide dog. Why is it
any of their
>business? Either guide dogs are accepted or they are not. I've
said this
>before; and I will not sit idly by while Cagdu takes the same
tack as the
>guide dog schools. They're wrong too. Things are getting worse
for us and
>for our dogs. It's a reversal on that car commercial.
Perception is reality.
>I gotta go.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <ecwogan at aol.com
>To: <cagdu at nfbcal.org
>Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:52 AM
>Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted
>> Ken and Family,
>> I don't have a guide dog . It's not necessary for the venue to
treat
>> you that way at all. In my opinion they treated you like a
second class
>> citizen. I totally agree with everybody on this. I think we
should
>> educate the public on this if possible so it doesn't happen any
more. I
>> keep thinking about the golden rule.I don't blame you for
getting upset
>> at all. Issues like these are really upsetting to everybody .
There
>> have many times I have been when people have relocated me from
one
>> place to another due to different reasons. Well good luck in
getting it
>> resolved. We are behind you a 100% in this. Our support is
allso with
>> you and your family. Have a great week.
>> Leaner and Family
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Juliet Cody <julietcody at cox.net
>> To: kmathe at tamu.edu; cagdu at nfbcal.org
>> Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 6:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted
>> Good point Kristin,
>> Did you say safety????
>> , We must not forget I ( apology if misspelled) she was a hero
during
>> the 9
>> 11 tragedy. We really need to defend our position and insist on
our
>> assigned
>> seats. One thing to remember that has helped me, is to let them
know
>> that
>> you have a guide dog before hand.
>> JC and M
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kristin Mathe" <mathekristin at hotmail.com
>> To: <cagdu at nfbcal.org
>> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted
>>> Hi Ken and community,
>>> Beatrice and I are in Texas, but this topic speaks to me. I
have been
>>> relocated for at best questionable reasons in event venues as
well.
>>> Sometimes the excuse has been: "She'll be blocking access to the
>> isle" as
>>> if
>>> everyone's knees aren't. Other times the staff seem concerned
that
>> Beatrice
>>> would just be better off somewhere else, or it would be easier
to get
>> to
>>> some sets off in a corner. It's reached the point that I've
politely
>>> thanked the staff and proceeded to my seat that was originally
>> assigned
>>> when
>>> their concern is a matter of convenience. It's harder with the
safety
>>> claims, which quite frankly I think are contrived because the
dog
>> wants to
>>> evacuate a burning building just as much as the other theater
goers.
>> We
>>> still have a ways to go in changing the custodial mindset of
many
>> people.
>>> So, while I don't have any sage advice, Ken is not alone in this
>>> frustration.
>>> KM
>>>>From: "Juliett Cody" <julietcody at cox.net
>>>>Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>>>To: <cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>>>Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted
>>>>Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:06:59 -0700
>>>>Hello Ken and family,
>>>>Wow, I am very sorry the three of you had a bad experience.
Loosing
>> it was
>>>>wrong, but I understand. There are times that it happens.
Please let
>> us
>>>>know what happens and if anyone knows anything that can vbe of
some
>> help
>>>>to Ken and Velvet an Gulliver, please post it.
>>>>JC and M
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Ken Volonte
>>>> To: Cagdu
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:43 PM
>>>> Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted
>>>> Hi all. Last night, Velvet and I went to a Josh Groban
concert at
>> the
>>>>Stockton Arena. We had bought tickets well in advance because
Velvet
>>>>can't
>>>>climb steps. We had seats at floor level 1 section 9.
>>>> When we showed our tickets to the arena staff, we were
>> repeatedly
>>>>told, "You're up front on the floor". We walked through
accompanied
>> by an
>>>>usher, but when he realized who we were: a blind man with a guide
dog
>> and
>>>>a
>>>>lady with a cane, our section magically didn't exist any more.
"I
>> can't
>>>>tell if that's... see how this here is underlined... Kathie
will take
>> care
>>>>of you. She's a supervisor", and off he went into the crowd.
>>>> Kathie instructed us to follow her back the way we'd just
>> come.
>>>> She
>>>>just left us standing and took off with our tickets.
>>>> Finally, Velvet couldn't stand any more and I was getting
more
>>>>irritated by the minute. There were six chairs near to where we
>> were, and
>>>>we sat down. After maybe fifteen minutes, six women approached
us and
>>>>demanded that we move. Kathie was with them, and she insisted
that we
>>>>again follow her. We were seated on the far right of the arena
>> sitting
>>>>sideways to the stage. Velvet kept insisting that this wasn't
right,
>> that
>>>>we had paid for floor tickets and that they had been taken from
us.
>>>> Finally, Josh Groban's security man came up to us and
demanded
>> to
>>>>see our tickets. "This is where you're supposed to be. What's
the
>>>>problem"?
>>>> Velvet explained that these were not our assigned seats,
that
>> our
>>>>tickets had been traded out for these seats. The security man
then
>>>>questioned me. "You bought two seats? With the dog you didn't
buy
>>>>three?"
>>>> A reasonable man would have just pulled out his law card,
but
>> to my
>>>>shame, I lost it. I really lost it. His question cast me right
back
>> to
>>>>the 70s. I think that the reason it had such an effect on me was
>> that all
>>>>control and hope for what should have been an orderly entrance
and
>>>>enjoyable evening were dashed. "If you want to enjoy the rest of
the
>>>>show", Mr. Security went on, "then you're going to have to speak
to
>> me
>>>>with
>>>>the respect I've shown you".
>>>> "I'm sorry", I said.
>>>> "What was that, I didn't hear you."
>>>> "I will enjoy the show", but the experience was just
wrong.
>>>> Velvet and I have been to many venues and we've always had
a
>> good
>>>>time. Where accommodations have had to be made, they have been
>> undertaken
>>>>with grace and good will on both sides. All we wanted was to be
>> shown to
>>>>the seats to which we were assigned. Instead, we were
marginalized.
>> I
>>>>admit some responsibility for this because I lost my temper; but
>>>>sometimes,
>>>>when you have been warn down, all you can do is yell.
>>>> On Monday, Velvet and I shall attempt to talk to the
>> management of
>>>>the Stockton Arena. We will present our arguments in a
reasonable
>>>>fashion.
>>>> This is not the first time something like this has
happened to
>> us
>>>> at
>>>>this venue. The first time, Velvet fell amid a whole scrum of
people
>> and
>>>>nobody helped at all.
>>>> Progress can be hard even when the law and common sense
are on
>> your
>>>>side.
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