From judotina48kg at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 21:46:38 2015
From: judotina48kg at gmail.com (Tina Thomas)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 21:46:38 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
Message-ID: <22d501d11856$81ab5b40$850211c0$@gmail.com>

Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our state
convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and checks can be
mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I would like you all to know
that the cagdu resolution concerning the California State Board of Guide
Dogs for the Blind passed and we need guide dog users in California to
support this resolution. Yue can read our resolution on the nfbc website or
you can email the cagdu board and one of us will be glad to send it to you.
CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future and we
want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, the board would
like your input on a good date and time you all would like to have our
meetings. Please email me with your thoughts and ideas. 

Thank you. 

Tina Thomas 

President-cagdu      

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From adepner1425 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 07:14:56 2015
From: adepner1425 at gmail.com (Allison Depner)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 07:14:56 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
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Hello Tina,

 

Thank you for your message.  

The best day and time for me would be either the 2nd or 4th Tuesday of the
month after 6:00 PM.  

 

 

 

Have a great day.

 

Respectfully,

Allison Depner

From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
Of Tina Thomas
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:47 PM
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business

 

Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our state
convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and checks can be
mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I would like you all to know
that the cagdu resolution concerning the California State Board of Guide
Dogs for the Blind passed and we need guide dog users in California to
support this resolution. Yue can read our resolution on the nfbc website or
you can email the cagdu board and one of us will be glad to send it to you.
CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future and we
want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, the board would
like your input on a good date and time you all would like to have our
meetings. Please email me with your thoughts and ideas. 

Thank you. 

Tina Thomas 

President-cagdu      

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From shannonldillon at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 07:55:06 2015
From: shannonldillon at gmail.com (Shannon Dillon)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 07:55:06 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
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I can meet any week night except for the second Thursday. 7:00 or
later on any week night except the second Thursday of the month.

The second or fourth Tuesday would work for me (I just saw Allison's
message), although I won't be able to meet until 7:00.

Thanks.

Shannon

On 11/6/15, Allison Depner <adepner1425 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Tina,
>
>
>
> Thank you for your message.
>
> The best day and time for me would be either the 2nd or 4th Tuesday of the
> month after 6:00 PM.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Have a great day.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Allison Depner
>
> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
> Of Tina Thomas
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:47 PM
> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
> Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
>
>
>
> Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our state
> convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and checks can be
> mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I would like you all to
> know
> that the cagdu resolution concerning the California State Board of Guide
> Dogs for the Blind passed and we need guide dog users in California to
> support this resolution. Yue can read our resolution on the nfbc website or
> you can email the cagdu board and one of us will be glad to send it to you.
> CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future and we
> want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, the board would
> like your input on a good date and time you all would like to have our
> meetings. Please email me with your thoughts and ideas.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Tina Thomas
>
> President-cagdu
>
>


-- 
SHANNON L. DILLON


From rstigile at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 08:15:31 2015
From: rstigile at gmail.com (robert stigile)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 08:15:31 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
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hello
the second tuesday will work for me and normally the fourth tuesday will work as well just not this month
i would prefer 8 pm but will find a way to make it work if the majority want 7 pm
thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2015, at 7:55 AM, Shannon Dillon <shannonldillon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I can meet any week night except for the second Thursday. 7:00 or
> later on any week night except the second Thursday of the month.
> 
> The second or fourth Tuesday would work for me (I just saw Allison's
> message), although I won't be able to meet until 7:00.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Shannon
> 
>> On 11/6/15, Allison Depner <adepner1425 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Tina,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you for your message.
>> 
>> The best day and time for me would be either the 2nd or 4th Tuesday of the
>> month after 6:00 PM.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Respectfully,
>> 
>> Allison Depner
>> 
>> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
>> Of Tina Thomas
>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:47 PM
>> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
>> Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our state
>> convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and checks can be
>> mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I would like you all to
>> know
>> that the cagdu resolution concerning the California State Board of Guide
>> Dogs for the Blind passed and we need guide dog users in California to
>> support this resolution. Yue can read our resolution on the nfbc website or
>> you can email the cagdu board and one of us will be glad to send it to you.
>> CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future and we
>> want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, the board would
>> like your input on a good date and time you all would like to have our
>> meetings. Please email me with your thoughts and ideas.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Tina Thomas
>> 
>> President-cagdu
> 
> 
> -- 
> SHANNON L. DILLON
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu


From mike at michaelhingson.com  Fri Nov  6 08:35:09 2015
From: mike at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 08:35:09 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
In-Reply-To: <22d501d11856$81ab5b40$850211c0$@gmail.com>
References: <22d501d11856$81ab5b40$850211c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01d118b1$1a6a30e0$4f3e92a0$@michaelhingson.com>

Hi,

 

The second Tuesday is as good a day as any for me. My schedule is dictated
by speaking commitments and so I think the second Tuesday is fine. I would
prefer a meeting time of 7PM, but 8PM works too. 

 

 

Best Regards,

 

 

Michael Hingson

 

From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
Of Tina Thomas
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:47 PM
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business

 

Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our state
convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and checks can be
mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I would like you all to know
that the cagdu resolution concerning the California State Board of Guide
Dogs for the Blind passed and we need guide dog users in California to
support this resolution. Yue can read our resolution on the nfbc website or
you can email the cagdu board and one of us will be glad to send it to you.
CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future and we
want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, the board would
like your input on a good date and time you all would like to have our
meetings. Please email me with your thoughts and ideas. 

Thank you. 

Tina Thomas 

President-cagdu      

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From adepner1425 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 08:46:35 2015
From: adepner1425 at gmail.com (Allison Depner)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 08:46:35 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
In-Reply-To: <000e01d118b1$1a6a30e0$4f3e92a0$@michaelhingson.com>
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	<000e01d118b1$1a6a30e0$4f3e92a0$@michaelhingson.com>
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Hello,

 

I

 

Alley prefer 7:00 PM, but 8:00 will work if that is what we need to do.  

 

 

From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 8:35 AM
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] CAGDU business

 

Hi,

 

The second Tuesday is as good a day as any for me. My schedule is dictated
by speaking commitments and so I think the second Tuesday is fine. I would
prefer a meeting time of 7PM, but 8PM works too. 

 

 

Best Regards,

 

 

Michael Hingson

 

From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
Of Tina Thomas
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:47 PM
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business

 

Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our state
convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and checks can be
mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I would like you all to know
that the cagdu resolution concerning the California State Board of Guide
Dogs for the Blind passed and we need guide dog users in California to
support this resolution. Yue can read our resolution on the nfbc website or
you can email the cagdu board and one of us will be glad to send it to you.
CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future and we
want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, the board would
like your input on a good date and time you all would like to have our
meetings. Please email me with your thoughts and ideas. 

Thank you. 

Tina Thomas 

President-cagdu      

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From shannonldillon at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 09:09:32 2015
From: shannonldillon at gmail.com (Shannon Dillon)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:09:32 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
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I can make 8 pm work, too. I'd just ask then that we make the meeting
efficient because I get up pretty early right now. We had Convention
Planning meetings at 8:00 and it worked well, but it was because Jim
kept the agenda moving and we were usually done by 9:00. We can always
use the 2-minute rule, or the one-minute rule.



On 11/6/15, robert stigile <rstigile at gmail.com> wrote:
> hello
> the second tuesday will work for me and normally the fourth tuesday will
> work as well just not this month
> i would prefer 8 pm but will find a way to make it work if the majority want
> 7 pm
> thanks
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 7:55 AM, Shannon Dillon <shannonldillon at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I can meet any week night except for the second Thursday. 7:00 or
>> later on any week night except the second Thursday of the month.
>>
>> The second or fourth Tuesday would work for me (I just saw Allison's
>> message), although I won't be able to meet until 7:00.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Shannon
>>
>>> On 11/6/15, Allison Depner <adepner1425 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Tina,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for your message.
>>>
>>> The best day and time for me would be either the 2nd or 4th Tuesday of
>>> the
>>> month after 6:00 PM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a great day.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Allison Depner
>>>
>>> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Tina Thomas
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:47 PM
>>> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>> Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our state
>>> convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and checks can
>>> be
>>> mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I would like you all to
>>> know
>>> that the cagdu resolution concerning the California State Board of Guide
>>> Dogs for the Blind passed and we need guide dog users in California to
>>> support this resolution. Yue can read our resolution on the nfbc website
>>> or
>>> you can email the cagdu board and one of us will be glad to send it to
>>> you.
>>> CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future and we
>>> want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, the board would
>>> like your input on a good date and time you all would like to have our
>>> meetings. Please email me with your thoughts and ideas.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Tina Thomas
>>>
>>> President-cagdu
>>
>>
>> --
>> SHANNON L. DILLON
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cagdu mailing list
>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>


-- 
SHANNON L. DILLON


From adepner1425 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 09:20:25 2015
From: adepner1425 at gmail.com (Allison Depner)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:20:25 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
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Amen!


-----Original Message-----
From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
Of Shannon Dillon
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 9:10 AM
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] CAGDU business

I can make 8 pm work, too. I'd just ask then that we make the meeting
efficient because I get up pretty early right now. We had Convention
Planning meetings at 8:00 and it worked well, but it was because Jim kept
the agenda moving and we were usually done by 9:00. We can always use the
2-minute rule, or the one-minute rule.



On 11/6/15, robert stigile <rstigile at gmail.com> wrote:
> hello
> the second tuesday will work for me and normally the fourth tuesday 
> will work as well just not this month i would prefer 8 pm but will 
> find a way to make it work if the majority want
> 7 pm
> thanks
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 7:55 AM, Shannon Dillon <shannonldillon at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I can meet any week night except for the second Thursday. 7:00 or 
>> later on any week night except the second Thursday of the month.
>>
>> The second or fourth Tuesday would work for me (I just saw Allison's 
>> message), although I won't be able to meet until 7:00.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Shannon
>>
>>> On 11/6/15, Allison Depner <adepner1425 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Tina,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for your message.
>>>
>>> The best day and time for me would be either the 2nd or 4th Tuesday 
>>> of the month after 6:00 PM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a great day.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Allison Depner
>>>
>>> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Tina Thomas
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:47 PM
>>> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>> Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our state 
>>> convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and checks 
>>> can be mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I would like 
>>> you all to know that the cagdu resolution concerning the California 
>>> State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind passed and we need guide dog 
>>> users in California to support this resolution. Yue can read our 
>>> resolution on the nfbc website or you can email the cagdu board and 
>>> one of us will be glad to send it to you.
>>> CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future 
>>> and we want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, the 
>>> board would like your input on a good date and time you all would 
>>> like to have our meetings. Please email me with your thoughts and ideas.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Tina Thomas
>>>
>>> President-cagdu
>>
>>
>> --
>> SHANNON L. DILLON
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cagdu mailing list
>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>


--
SHANNON L. DILLON
_______________________________________________
Cagdu mailing list
Cagdu at nfbcal.org
https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu



From debsphilly1 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 09:32:13 2015
From: debsphilly1 at gmail.com (Debbie Worstman)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:32:13 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
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Tuesday's are good for me I like 8 PM as far as time. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2015, at 8:46 AM, Allison Depner <adepner1425 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I
>  
> Alley prefer 7:00 PM, but 8:00 will work if that is what we need to do. 
>  
>  
> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 8:35 AM
> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
>  
> Hi,
>  
> The second Tuesday is as good a day as any for me. My schedule is dictated by speaking commitments and so I think the second Tuesday is fine. I would prefer a meeting time of 7PM, but 8PM works too.
>  
>  
> Best Regards,
>  
>  
> Michael Hingson
>  
> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:47 PM
> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
> Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
>  
> Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our state convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and checks can be mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I would like you all to know that the cagdu resolution concerning the California State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind passed and we need guide dog users in California to support this resolution. Yue can read our resolution on the nfbc website or you can email the cagdu board and one of us will be glad to send it to you. CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future and we want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, the board would like your input on a good date and time you all would like to have our meetings. Please email me with your thoughts and ideas.
> Thank you.
> Tina Thomas
> President-cagdu      
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
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From judotina48kg at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 10:39:13 2015
From: judotina48kg at gmail.com (Tina Thomas)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:39:13 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
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I believe that 8:00PM on a Tuesday will work. Now with that time slot, there
will be some ground rules. First, there will be a 2 minute rule for people
seaking the floor, no rehashing of the same topic, however, I will allow for
a healthy exchange on how to best procede with an ongoing issue. Now with
that said, I absolutely will not tolerate cross talking, and or unhealthy
desagreements. I am going to put together an agenda and if anyone has a
topic they would like to have discussed, then I would appreciate it if you
email me with the topic you want discussed. I will accept agenda items up
until Monday at midnight. So, I am really looking forward to working with
all of you and I know we will get a lot done in the upcoming year. 
Thank you for your time and service. 
Tina Thomas 
CAGDU-President                 -----Original Message-----
From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
Of Shannon Dillon
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 9:10 AM
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] CAGDU business

I can make 8 pm work, too. I'd just ask then that we make the meeting
efficient because I get up pretty early right now. We had Convention
Planning meetings at 8:00 and it worked well, but it was because Jim kept
the agenda moving and we were usually done by 9:00. We can always use the
2-minute rule, or the one-minute rule.



On 11/6/15, robert stigile <rstigile at gmail.com> wrote:
> hello
> the second tuesday will work for me and normally the fourth tuesday 
> will work as well just not this month i would prefer 8 pm but will 
> find a way to make it work if the majority want
> 7 pm
> thanks
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 7:55 AM, Shannon Dillon <shannonldillon at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I can meet any week night except for the second Thursday. 7:00 or 
>> later on any week night except the second Thursday of the month.
>>
>> The second or fourth Tuesday would work for me (I just saw Allison's 
>> message), although I won't be able to meet until 7:00.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Shannon
>>
>>> On 11/6/15, Allison Depner <adepner1425 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Tina,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for your message.
>>>
>>> The best day and time for me would be either the 2nd or 4th Tuesday 
>>> of the month after 6:00 PM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a great day.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Allison Depner
>>>
>>> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Tina Thomas
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:47 PM
>>> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>> Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our state 
>>> convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and checks 
>>> can be mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I would like 
>>> you all to know that the cagdu resolution concerning the California 
>>> State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind passed and we need guide dog 
>>> users in California to support this resolution. Yue can read our 
>>> resolution on the nfbc website or you can email the cagdu board and 
>>> one of us will be glad to send it to you.
>>> CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future 
>>> and we want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, the 
>>> board would like your input on a good date and time you all would 
>>> like to have our meetings. Please email me with your thoughts and ideas.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Tina Thomas
>>>
>>> President-cagdu
>>
>>
>> --
>> SHANNON L. DILLON
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From judotina48kg at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 11:23:20 2015
From: judotina48kg at gmail.com (Tina Thomas)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 11:23:20 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] FW: PTSD dog
Message-ID: <2b9601d118c8$99429b20$cbc7d160$@gmail.com>

This is a great article. 

Enjoy, 

Tina 

 

TSD dog

 

  

Vet with PTSD Finds Comfort in Therapy Dog

 

 

Struggling with PTSD and alcohol abuse, Iraq veteran Randy Dexter was
desperate for help. Could a dog named Ricochet come to his rescue?

 

by Randy Dexter

 

 

There are probably thousands of veterans who have a story like mine: 

Enlisted in the Army. Got deployed. Saw combat. Got blasted by an IED.

 

I signed up at age 20 and trained as a combat medic because my dad had been
one. The day my squad got hit in Iraq in 2005, our crew, in a Humvee, was
okay. But I wasn't able to save the driver of the car across the road. The
guilt ate at me.

 

Voices in my head taunted me by day. You're worthless. Kill yourself. 

Nightmares haunted my sleep. I talked to the chaplain but still felt guilty,
not just about the guys I couldn't save, but that I was struggling while
buddies with more severe injuries were sucking it up and soldiering on.

 

Was there something so wrong with me that God couldn't-or wouldn't-help? I
turned to alcohol to numb the pain. When I was drunk I would shout at God.
In 2009, I was diagnosed with PTSD. I tried everything the Army
offered-counseling, detox, exposure therapy.

 

"Addiction is a disease of relapse, made much worse by PTSD," my doctor
warned me. He was right. I'd get well, then relapse, get well, then relapse.
Finally an entire team was assembled to help me-primary physician,
neurologist, nurse, recreational therapist, occupational therapist,
psychotherapist.

 

For two years I did great. I stayed sober, was in charge of a forward aid
station at Fort Irwin. My wife, Becky, was my rock. We had a two-year-old
daughter and Becky was pregnant with our second little girl. She was a great
stepmom to my teenage son.

 

Becky was English and she'd gone home to England with our daughter to visit
her family for the holidays. My son was with his mom. The longer they were
gone, the lonelier I got. I tried to go Christmas shopping, but the second I
walked into the mall, the crowds made me feel like spiders were crawling on
my skin.

 

Then the flashbacks came. The voices. You're nothing. Just end it. I bolted
for the liquor store.

 

Back home, I paced the living room, clutching a crucifix with one hand,
swigging from a bottle of rum with the other. "I'm tired of this, Lord!" I
ranted. "I've helped so many people. Where is my help?"

 

I didn't tell Becky. I didn't want to ruin her time with her family. 

But how much longer could she put up with me? She and the kids deserved
better. I hurled the crucifix across the room. It slammed into the wall.
Good. I polished off the rum and passed out. Maybe this time I wouldn't wake
up.

 

My first marriage fell apart during my second deployment. I'd given up on
love, but then I met Becky, in 2008. We married after only four months. I
felt that God must care about me after all if he'd sent me Becky. But the
suicidal thoughts and flashbacks returned all too soon. 

I was devastated.

 

I'd work the night shift in the urgent-care clinic at the hospital at Fort
Jackson, then come home and knock back a case of beer. One night I passed
out and elbowed Becky in the face. She'd had enough.

 

"Randy, I love you," she said, "but if you're serious about us you need
help. Professional help."

 

I didn't want to lose Becky. I went to the base hospital. "I don't know
what's wrong, but I can't stop these thoughts. I can't stop drinking," 

I said. That's when the doctor diagnosed me with PTSD. "You have to get the
drinking under control first," he said.

 

I went to detox for 21 days, then joined AA. It was harder than combat, but
I pushed through. Then I was transferred to Fort Irwin, where units do
simulated battlefield training. Explosions, people screaming. Not the best
place for someone with combat PTSD. I went right back to drinking. You'll
never beat this, the voices in my head told me.

 

Becky stuck by me as I was sent to yet more treatment, this time at an
inpatient facility. That's where the team was assembled to help me put my
life back together.

 

They had. I'd been fine. For two years. Till now. I woke up on the couch,
the empty rum bottle digging into my side. "Lord, forgive me," I cried. "I
don't blame you if you've given up on me. But if you're still there, tell me
what I'm supposed to do now. Please."

 

My cell phone was on the table next to me. I called a therapist on my team.
"I'm suicidal," I told her. "And hung over. I can't live like this anymore."

 

In addition to another detox, she had a new idea. "This might sound crazy,
but there's a program with dogs that I think can help you." An organization
called Paws'itive Teams ran a six-week program to help active-duty military
with PTSD make the transition into the civilian world through canine
therapy.

 

I loved dogs. But if God couldn't help me, how could a dog? Then again, what
did I have to lose?

 

Three days later I showed up at the Paws'itive Teams building. There were
six of us and six handlers, each with a dog. I stood there, my heart racing,
not knowing what to expect. "We'll pair you with a dog at random," the
director said.

 

My gaze was drawn to one dog in particular-a golden retriever. As if she
could sense me staring, she turned her head. Something passed between us,
something I could swear was of the spirit. She made a beeline for me, her
tail wagging wildly.

 

"Hey, there!" I said, scratching her head. She opened her mouth, grinning. A
calm fell over me, a calm I hadn't felt in a very long time. My heartbeat
slowed. I caught myself smiling back.

 

"This is Ricochet. I'm Judy," her handler said. "Looks like she picked you."

 

Judy, Ricochet and I walked the grounds. Judy told me that Ricochet had been
trained as a service dog, but was too fond of chasing birds to qualify.
Turns out she had other talents. Excellent balance and, remarkably, the
ability to surf.

 

Judy taught me different cues to use with Ricochet. I could have her stop
suddenly, or position herself between me and something I found threatening,
or even give me a kiss when my nerves started to go.

 

"Ricochet's very intuitive," Judy said. "She can sense panic attacks coming,
detect changes in your body leading up to an episode even before you do. She
learns what situations trigger you." She was an awesome dog. But predicting
a panic attack?

 

A few days later, Becky came home from England. I confessed everything. 

I even told her about Ricochet. "If you want to leave, I understand," I
said.

 

"We've gotten through this before and we will again," Becky said.

 

"How can you be so sure?" I asked.

 

"I don't know...but there's something different about you now. Give this dog
thing a chance, maybe?"

 

The next week I went with Judy and Ricochet to a big box store for an
exercise on how to control my PTSD in public spaces. Just like when I went
to the mall, I froze. Way too many people. But Ricochet glanced back at me,
then moved confidently forward as if to say, "Come with me, it's safe."

 

We walked into the store and down the main aisle. Suddenly, Ric stopped. Up
ahead there was a cluster of people. It would've set off a panic attack for
sure. Her stopping gave me a chance to assess my feelings and take a
different aisle.

 

Detox cleaned the alcohol from my system, and Ricochet worked wonders on my
underlying depression and anxiety. But when our six weeks were up, I
worried. Would I relapse without Ric? I knew I would probably never see her
again.

 

Becky had other ideas. "I called Judy," she told me. "I told her how happy
Ric makes you. She said you can see her anytime you want."

 

A few weeks later we met in the parking lot of a church. Ricochet lay on her
back in my lap. I scratched her belly while Judy asked me what it was like
living with PTSD, so she could use the information to help others. When I
got stressed and stopped scratching, Ric would lift my hands with her nose
to get me to continue.

 

I'd never talked that openly about my PTSD. I felt like a huge burden had
been lifted. The next time we met up, I went surfing with Ric, something
I'll never forget. Hanging ten with a golden retriever!

 

Judy offered to give Ricochet to me, but I knew Ric had a broader mission to
help others. Thanks to Judy's fundraising, though, I was able to get a
service dog of my own-a Lab mix named Captain.

 

He is so in tune with me. He burrows his body into mine when I get anxious,
wakes me from nightmares, and keeps a safe distance between me and
situations that trigger my PTSD.

 

Captain goes everywhere I go-to the park with Becky and the kids, to the
stables where we keep our horses, even to my college classes. I'm medically
retired from the Army and am now studying communications, English and
Spanish with the intention of reaching out to others with PTSD, of being not
just a wounded warrior but a wounded healer.

 

All I have to do is look into Captain's eyes or feel him nudging me forward
when I need it and I'm reminded that even when we are shouting at God, he
loves us unconditionally. He never stops trying, sending us hope and
healing. Sometimes, if we're lucky, it comes on four paws. 

Unconditionally.

 

 

Becky Frankeberger

Butterfly Knitting

-           Ponchos

-           Afghans

-           Shawls

-           Custom Knitting

360-426-8389

becky at butterflyknitting.com

 

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From meyer.cody22 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 14:34:32 2015
From: meyer.cody22 at gmail.com (Cody Meyer)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:34:32 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
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Hi Tina,
Tuesday at 8 o'clock will work for me.

All my best,
Cody 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe that 8:00PM on a Tuesday will work. Now with that time slot, there
> will be some ground rules. First, there will be a 2 minute rule for people
> seaking the floor, no rehashing of the same topic, however, I will allow for
> a healthy exchange on how to best procede with an ongoing issue. Now with
> that said, I absolutely will not tolerate cross talking, and or unhealthy
> desagreements. I am going to put together an agenda and if anyone has a
> topic they would like to have discussed, then I would appreciate it if you
> email me with the topic you want discussed. I will accept agenda items up
> until Monday at midnight. So, I am really looking forward to working with
> all of you and I know we will get a lot done in the upcoming year. 
> Thank you for your time and service. 
> Tina Thomas 
> CAGDU-President                 -----Original Message-----
> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
> Of Shannon Dillon
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 9:10 AM
> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
> 
> I can make 8 pm work, too. I'd just ask then that we make the meeting
> efficient because I get up pretty early right now. We had Convention
> Planning meetings at 8:00 and it worked well, but it was because Jim kept
> the agenda moving and we were usually done by 9:00. We can always use the
> 2-minute rule, or the one-minute rule.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/6/15, robert stigile <rstigile at gmail.com> wrote:
>> hello
>> the second tuesday will work for me and normally the fourth tuesday 
>> will work as well just not this month i would prefer 8 pm but will 
>> find a way to make it work if the majority want
>> 7 pm
>> thanks
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 7:55 AM, Shannon Dillon <shannonldillon at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can meet any week night except for the second Thursday. 7:00 or 
>>> later on any week night except the second Thursday of the month.
>>> 
>>> The second or fourth Tuesday would work for me (I just saw Allison's 
>>> message), although I won't be able to meet until 7:00.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Shannon
>>> 
>>>> On 11/6/15, Allison Depner <adepner1425 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Tina,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for your message.
>>>> 
>>>> The best day and time for me would be either the 2nd or 4th Tuesday 
>>>> of the month after 6:00 PM.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Have a great day.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> 
>>>> Allison Depner
>>>> 
>>>> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Tina Thomas
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:47 PM
>>>> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>>> Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our state 
>>>> convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and checks 
>>>> can be mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I would like 
>>>> you all to know that the cagdu resolution concerning the California 
>>>> State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind passed and we need guide dog 
>>>> users in California to support this resolution. Yue can read our 
>>>> resolution on the nfbc website or you can email the cagdu board and 
>>>> one of us will be glad to send it to you.
>>>> CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future 
>>>> and we want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, the 
>>>> board would like your input on a good date and time you all would 
>>>> like to have our meetings. Please email me with your thoughts and ideas.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> 
>>>> Tina Thomas
>>>> 
>>>> President-cagdu
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> SHANNON L. DILLON
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
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> 
> 
> --
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From adepner1425 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 15:10:53 2015
From: adepner1425 at gmail.com (Allison Depner)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:10:53 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
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Well, count on me to throw a monkey wrench into things.  After my suggestion
about having the meetings on the 2nd Tuesday of the month is finally being
nailed down, I remember that I have our chapter meeting that night.  Holy
Cow! What's wrong with me?  Could we try for the 4th Tuesday at 8:00 PM?

Alley  I'm so sorry.  

-----Original Message-----
From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
Of Cody Meyer
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 2:35 PM
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] CAGDU business

Hi Tina,
Tuesday at 8 o'clock will work for me.

All my best,
Cody 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe that 8:00PM on a Tuesday will work. Now with that time slot, 
> there will be some ground rules. First, there will be a 2 minute rule 
> for people seeking the floor, no rehashing of the same topic, however, 
> I will allow for a healthy exchange on how to best procede with an 
> ongoing issue. Now with that said, I absolutely will not tolerate 
> cross talking, and or unhealthy desagreements. I am going to put 
> together an agenda and if anyone has a topic they would like to have 
> discussed, then I would appreciate it if you email me with the topic 
> you want discussed. I will accept agenda items up until Monday at 
> midnight. So, I am really looking forward to working with all of you and I
know we will get a lot done in the upcoming year.
> Thank you for your time and service. 
> Tina Thomas 
> CAGDU-President                 -----Original Message-----
> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On 
> Behalf Of Shannon Dillon
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 9:10 AM
> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
> 
> I can make 8 pm work, too. I'd just ask then that we make the meeting 
> efficient because I get up pretty early right now. We had Convention 
> Planning meetings at 8:00 and it worked well, but it was because Jim 
> kept the agenda moving and we were usually done by 9:00. We can always 
> use the 2-minute rule, or the one-minute rule.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/6/15, robert stigile <rstigile at gmail.com> wrote:
>> hello
>> the second tuesday will work for me and normally the fourth tuesday 
>> will work as well just not this month i would prefer 8 pm but will 
>> find a way to make it work if the majority want
>> 7 pm
>> thanks
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 7:55 AM, Shannon Dillon 
>>> <shannonldillon at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can meet any week night except for the second Thursday. 7:00 or 
>>> later on any week night except the second Thursday of the month.
>>> 
>>> The second or fourth Tuesday would work for me (I just saw Allison's 
>>> message), although I won't be able to meet until 7:00.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Shannon
>>> 
>>>> On 11/6/15, Allison Depner <adepner1425 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Tina,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for your message.
>>>> 
>>>> The best day and time for me would be either the 2nd or 4th Tuesday 
>>>> of the month after 6:00 PM.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Have a great day.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> 
>>>> Allison Depner
>>>> 
>>>> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Tina Thomas
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:47 PM
>>>> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>>> Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our state 
>>>> convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and checks 
>>>> can be mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I would like 
>>>> you all to know that the cagdu resolution concerning the California 
>>>> State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind passed and we need guide 
>>>> dog users in California to support this resolution. Yue can read 
>>>> our resolution on the nfbc website or you can email the cagdu board 
>>>> and one of us will be glad to send it to you.
>>>> CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future 
>>>> and we want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, the 
>>>> board would like your input on a good date and time you all would 
>>>> like to have our meetings. Please email me with your thoughts and
ideas.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> 
>>>> Tina Thomas
>>>> 
>>>> President-cagdu
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> SHANNON L. DILLON
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cagdu mailing list
>>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cagdu mailing list
>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
> 
> 
> --
> SHANNON L. DILLON
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
_______________________________________________
Cagdu mailing list
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From rstigile at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 15:34:13 2015
From: rstigile at gmail.com (robert stigile)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:34:13 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
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hi
normally i would say yes but this month i will be sailing to hawaii then

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Allison Depner <adepner1425 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, count on me to throw a monkey wrench into things.  After my suggestion
> about having the meetings on the 2nd Tuesday of the month is finally being
> nailed down, I remember that I have our chapter meeting that night.  Holy
> Cow! What's wrong with me?  Could we try for the 4th Tuesday at 8:00 PM?
> 
> Alley  I'm so sorry.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
> Of Cody Meyer
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 2:35 PM
> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
> 
> Hi Tina,
> Tuesday at 8 o'clock will work for me.
> 
> All my best,
> Cody 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I believe that 8:00PM on a Tuesday will work. Now with that time slot, 
>> there will be some ground rules. First, there will be a 2 minute rule 
>> for people seeking the floor, no rehashing of the same topic, however, 
>> I will allow for a healthy exchange on how to best procede with an 
>> ongoing issue. Now with that said, I absolutely will not tolerate 
>> cross talking, and or unhealthy desagreements. I am going to put 
>> together an agenda and if anyone has a topic they would like to have 
>> discussed, then I would appreciate it if you email me with the topic 
>> you want discussed. I will accept agenda items up until Monday at 
>> midnight. So, I am really looking forward to working with all of you and I
> know we will get a lot done in the upcoming year.
>> Thank you for your time and service. 
>> Tina Thomas 
>> CAGDU-President                 -----Original Message-----
>> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Shannon Dillon
>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 9:10 AM
>> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
>> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
>> 
>> I can make 8 pm work, too. I'd just ask then that we make the meeting 
>> efficient because I get up pretty early right now. We had Convention 
>> Planning meetings at 8:00 and it worked well, but it was because Jim 
>> kept the agenda moving and we were usually done by 9:00. We can always 
>> use the 2-minute rule, or the one-minute rule.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/6/15, robert stigile <rstigile at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> hello
>>> the second tuesday will work for me and normally the fourth tuesday 
>>> will work as well just not this month i would prefer 8 pm but will 
>>> find a way to make it work if the majority want
>>> 7 pm
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 7:55 AM, Shannon Dillon 
>>>> <shannonldillon at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can meet any week night except for the second Thursday. 7:00 or 
>>>> later on any week night except the second Thursday of the month.
>>>> 
>>>> The second or fourth Tuesday would work for me (I just saw Allison's 
>>>> message), although I won't be able to meet until 7:00.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Shannon
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/6/15, Allison Depner <adepner1425 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Tina,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for your message.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The best day and time for me would be either the 2nd or 4th Tuesday 
>>>>> of the month after 6:00 PM.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Allison Depner
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Tina Thomas
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:47 PM
>>>>> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>>>> Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our state 
>>>>> convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and checks 
>>>>> can be mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I would like 
>>>>> you all to know that the cagdu resolution concerning the California 
>>>>> State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind passed and we need guide 
>>>>> dog users in California to support this resolution. Yue can read 
>>>>> our resolution on the nfbc website or you can email the cagdu board 
>>>>> and one of us will be glad to send it to you.
>>>>> CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future 
>>>>> and we want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, the 
>>>>> board would like your input on a good date and time you all would 
>>>>> like to have our meetings. Please email me with your thoughts and
> ideas.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tina Thomas
>>>>> 
>>>>> President-cagdu
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> SHANNON L. DILLON
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cagdu mailing list
>>>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cagdu mailing list
>>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> SHANNON L. DILLON
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cagdu mailing list
>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cagdu mailing list
>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu


From mike at michaelhingson.com  Fri Nov  6 17:05:51 2015
From: mike at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 17:05:51 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
In-Reply-To: <0918DA08-9BE8-412E-8F7E-FECDFBE252D4@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <010c01d118f8$72416760$56c43620$@michaelhingson.com>

Robert,

Then I suggest that CAGDU simply send us all on the same cruise so we can
meet.
	 (grin) 


Best Regards,


Michael Hingson
-----Original Message-----
From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
Of robert stigile
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:34 PM
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] CAGDU business

hi
normally i would say yes but this month i will be sailing to hawaii then

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Allison Depner <adepner1425 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, count on me to throw a monkey wrench into things.  After my 
> suggestion about having the meetings on the 2nd Tuesday of the month 
> is finally being nailed down, I remember that I have our chapter 
> meeting that night.  Holy Cow! What's wrong with me?  Could we try for the
4th Tuesday at 8:00 PM?
> 
> Alley  I'm so sorry.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On 
> Behalf Of Cody Meyer
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 2:35 PM
> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
> 
> Hi Tina,
> Tuesday at 8 o'clock will work for me.
> 
> All my best,
> Cody
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I believe that 8:00PM on a Tuesday will work. Now with that time 
>> slot, there will be some ground rules. First, there will be a 2 
>> minute rule for people seeking the floor, no rehashing of the same 
>> topic, however, I will allow for a healthy exchange on how to best 
>> procede with an ongoing issue. Now with that said, I absolutely will 
>> not tolerate cross talking, and or unhealthy desagreements. I am 
>> going to put together an agenda and if anyone has a topic they would 
>> like to have discussed, then I would appreciate it if you email me 
>> with the topic you want discussed. I will accept agenda items up 
>> until Monday at midnight. So, I am really looking forward to working 
>> with all of you and I
> know we will get a lot done in the upcoming year.
>> Thank you for your time and service. 
>> Tina Thomas 
>> CAGDU-President                 -----Original Message-----
>> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Shannon Dillon
>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 9:10 AM
>> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
>> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
>> 
>> I can make 8 pm work, too. I'd just ask then that we make the meeting 
>> efficient because I get up pretty early right now. We had Convention 
>> Planning meetings at 8:00 and it worked well, but it was because Jim 
>> kept the agenda moving and we were usually done by 9:00. We can 
>> always use the 2-minute rule, or the one-minute rule.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/6/15, robert stigile <rstigile at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> hello
>>> the second tuesday will work for me and normally the fourth tuesday 
>>> will work as well just not this month i would prefer 8 pm but will 
>>> find a way to make it work if the majority want
>>> 7 pm
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 7:55 AM, Shannon Dillon 
>>>> <shannonldillon at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can meet any week night except for the second Thursday. 7:00 or 
>>>> later on any week night except the second Thursday of the month.
>>>> 
>>>> The second or fourth Tuesday would work for me (I just saw 
>>>> Allison's message), although I won't be able to meet until 7:00.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Shannon
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/6/15, Allison Depner <adepner1425 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Tina,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for your message.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The best day and time for me would be either the 2nd or 4th 
>>>>> Tuesday of the month after 6:00 PM.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Allison Depner
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] 
>>>>> On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:47 PM
>>>>> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>>>> Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our 
>>>>> state convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and 
>>>>> checks can be mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I 
>>>>> would like you all to know that the cagdu resolution concerning 
>>>>> the California State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind passed and 
>>>>> we need guide dog users in California to support this resolution. 
>>>>> Yue can read our resolution on the nfbc website or you can email 
>>>>> the cagdu board and one of us will be glad to send it to you.
>>>>> CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future 
>>>>> and we want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, 
>>>>> the board would like your input on a good date and time you all 
>>>>> would like to have our meetings. Please email me with your 
>>>>> thoughts and
> ideas.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tina Thomas
>>>>> 
>>>>> President-cagdu
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> SHANNON L. DILLON
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cagdu mailing list
>>>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cagdu mailing list
>>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> SHANNON L. DILLON
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cagdu mailing list
>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cagdu mailing list
>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
_______________________________________________
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From shannonldillon at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 08:26:08 2015
From: shannonldillon at gmail.com (Shannon Dillon)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 08:26:08 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
In-Reply-To: <22d501d11856$81ab5b40$850211c0$@gmail.com>
References: <22d501d11856$81ab5b40$850211c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JLRL8yBQEu2-gBH3bf37B7NfMMkaoCi4smgFy28QxTu3_UNg@mail.gmail.com>

Wed. Nov 11 works for me.


On 11/5/15, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our state
> convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and checks can be
> mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I would like you all to
> know
> that the cagdu resolution concerning the California State Board of Guide
> Dogs for the Blind passed and we need guide dog users in California to
> support this resolution. Yue can read our resolution on the nfbc website or
> you can email the cagdu board and one of us will be glad to send it to you.
> CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future and we
> want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, the board would
> like your input on a good date and time you all would like to have our
> meetings. Please email me with your thoughts and ideas.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Tina Thomas
>
> President-cagdu
>
>


-- 
SHANNON L. DILLON


From mike at michaelhingson.com  Mon Nov  9 08:27:58 2015
From: mike at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 08:27:58 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU business
In-Reply-To: <CA+JLRL8yBQEu2-gBH3bf37B7NfMMkaoCi4smgFy28QxTu3_UNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22d501d11856$81ab5b40$850211c0$@gmail.com>
	<CA+JLRL8yBQEu2-gBH3bf37B7NfMMkaoCi4smgFy28QxTu3_UNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f301d11b0b$9840d170$c8c27450$@michaelhingson.com>

I cannot make a meeting Nov. 11-13. 


Best Regards,


Michael Hingson

-----Original Message-----
From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
Of Shannon Dillon
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 8:26 AM
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] CAGDU business

Wed. Nov 11 works for me.


On 11/5/15, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello All- For those of you who were unable to make it to our state 
> convention, you can still pay dues to cagdu. Dues are $5 and checks 
> can be mailed to Robert Stigile CAGDU treasurer. Also, I would like 
> you all to know that the cagdu resolution concerning the California 
> State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind passed and we need guide dog 
> users in California to support this resolution. Yue can read our 
> resolution on the nfbc website or you can email the cagdu board and 
> one of us will be glad to send it to you.
> CAGDU has a lot of exciting projects coming up in the near future and 
> we want all of our cagdu family to be a part of it. Lastly, the board 
> would like your input on a good date and time you all would like to 
> have our meetings. Please email me with your thoughts and ideas.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Tina Thomas
>
> President-cagdu
>
>


--
SHANNON L. DILLON
_______________________________________________
Cagdu mailing list
Cagdu at nfbcal.org
https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu



From judotina48kg at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 10:09:36 2015
From: judotina48kg at gmail.com (Tina Thomas)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 10:09:36 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU Meeting
Message-ID: <43d001d11b19$cc13d840$643b88c0$@gmail.com>

Hello All- There will be a CAGDU Meeting via conference call on Wednesday
November 11 at 7:30PM. The call in information is as follows: (605)475.4700
Pin:405682# 

I will be sending out the agenda by the end of the day. 

Looking forward to hearing from all of you. 

Tina Thomas 

President-CAGDU  

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From alfredoh14 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 20:56:19 2015
From: alfredoh14 at gmail.com (Alfredo Holguin)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 20:56:19 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] Survey from previous NFC of California scholarship winner
Message-ID: <CAMLHwfFkMDb6PTheS=wDbUYj0otyM9H21GpaKbs=33+Uf=fU3A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
My name is Alfredo and I am in my last semester for my MBA @ SDSU and
need to conduct a marketing analysis for a course I need to graduate.
I am doing one on a motivational/inspirational blind public speaker.
Please take the brief survey, it should take no more than 5-7 minutes.
Thanks in advance.

https://sdsubusiness.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b4m9GkTvUREWGd7


Sincerely,
Alfredo Holguin


From peacefulwoman89 at cox.net  Mon Nov  9 21:42:13 2015
From: peacefulwoman89 at cox.net (Lisa Irving)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 21:42:13 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] Survey from previous NFC of California scholarship
	winner
In-Reply-To: <fgwg1r00i2iyqr901gwihw>
References: <fgwg1r00i2iyqr901gwihw>
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Hi Alfredo, 


I'm wondering if you would elaborate a little more about the purpose of the
survey; besides completing an MBA project. I'm missing the connections
between the first two questions and the bulk of the survey questions. Also,
I encountered a problem with checking a "button" after the question about
one's zip code. Any suggestions. 


From,
Lisa Irving



-----Original Message-----
From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
Of Alfredo Holguin
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 8:56 PM
To: mike at michaelhingson.com; cagdu
Subject: [Cagdu] Survey from previous NFC of California scholarship winner

Hello,
My name is Alfredo and I am in my last semester for my MBA @ SDSU and need
to conduct a marketing analysis for a course I need to graduate.
I am doing one on a motivational/inspirational blind public speaker.
Please take the brief survey, it should take no more than 5-7 minutes.
Thanks in advance.

https://sdsubusiness.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b4m9GkTvUREWGd7


Sincerely,
Alfredo Holguin
_______________________________________________
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Cagdu at nfbcal.org
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From alfredoh14 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 07:38:22 2015
From: alfredoh14 at gmail.com (Alfredo Holguin)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:38:22 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] Survey from previous NFC of California scholarship
	winner
In-Reply-To: <000001d11b7a$8dfdb6f0$a9f924d0$@cox.net>
References: <000001d11b7a$8dfdb6f0$a9f924d0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAMLHwfEncYOPihxwqdJgrZ1UmMSwH6G_Z3NoEL6J1-vUsfkTnQ@mail.gmail.com>

The survey is for a blind motivational/inspirational speaker. The 2
questions are to compare the differences between what the survey
thinker things about a ?motivational speaker? and a ?blind
motivational speaker?.  I want to know if there are differences,
meaning maybe people do not think a  blind motivational speaker  would
do better.  For example, the survey taker might say ?cool? for the 1st
answer and ?boring? for the 2nd.  If I get 100 responses I will see a
trend that I can document for my research paper.

There are actually about only 6 questions regarding the survey and the
other are demographics questions.

For the last question, I suggest you use the jaws cursor (mouse
poiner) to attempt to find the button and double click on it to
activate it.  If you are not using jaws (I used jaws 16 to complete
the survey), then use a comparable keystroke that wil enable you to
use the mouse pointer (I am not very faimiliar with windows eyes or
other screen readers).


On 11/9/15, Lisa Irving <peacefulwoman89 at cox.net> wrote:
> Hi Alfredo,
>
>
> I'm wondering if you would elaborate a little more about the purpose of the
> survey; besides completing an MBA project. I'm missing the connections
> between the first two questions and the bulk of the survey questions. Also,
> I encountered a problem with checking a "button" after the question about
> one's zip code. Any suggestions.
>
>
> From,
> Lisa Irving
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
> Of Alfredo Holguin
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 8:56 PM
> To: mike at michaelhingson.com; cagdu
> Subject: [Cagdu] Survey from previous NFC of California scholarship winner
>
> Hello,
> My name is Alfredo and I am in my last semester for my MBA @ SDSU and need
> to conduct a marketing analysis for a course I need to graduate.
> I am doing one on a motivational/inspirational blind public speaker.
> Please take the brief survey, it should take no more than 5-7 minutes.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> https://sdsubusiness.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b4m9GkTvUREWGd7
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Alfredo Holguin
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Alfredo Holguin
Alfredo?s accessible Technologies Services for the Blind
California, USA
Providing consultation and training services at an affordable price
Specializing in Jaws for Windows, Apple iPhone, IPad, Macintosh,
Serotek System Access, Dolphin Guide, GWMicro's BookSsense and overall
researching which technological innovations best fit blients who are
blind
Knowledge is Power
But Sharing Knowledge is MORE Powerful


From peacefulwoman89 at cox.net  Tue Nov 10 11:52:35 2015
From: peacefulwoman89 at cox.net (Lisa Irving)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 11:52:35 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] [Cadge] Survey from previous NFC of California
	scholarship	winner
Message-ID: <002601d11bf1$586753d0$0935fb70$@cox.net>

Hi Alfredo,


Looks like you're coming down the home-stretch and will soon graduate. Way to go. 

Here are some events and changes happening with the NFB chapter.

We are voting this evening to change the day/time/location of the monthly meetings. It's likely that we will meet at the Fenton Parkway San Diego Public Library. This location is off of the green line trolley. We are looking to meet the second Saturday of each month. We are hoping to meet from 10:30 AM to 12:30 PM. 

It looks like our Christmas/Holiday party will be held at TGI Friday's downtown location. Wherever we have the party it will happen on Saturday December 12th. 

I hope you and your family will join us for the holiday party. More details are forthcoming. 

Best-
Lisa
-----Original Message-----
From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf Of Alfredo Holguin
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 7:38 AM
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] Survey from previous NFC of California scholarship winner

The survey is for a blind motivational/inspirational speaker. The 2 questions are to compare the differences between what the survey thinker things about a ?motivational speaker? and a ?blind motivational speaker?.  I want to know if there are differences, meaning maybe people do not think a  blind motivational speaker  would do better.  For example, the survey taker might say ?cool? for the 1st answer and ?boring? for the 2nd.  If I get 100 responses I will see a trend that I can document for my research paper.

There are actually about only 6 questions regarding the survey and the other are demographics questions.

For the last question, I suggest you use the jaws cursor (mouse
poiner) to attempt to find the button and double click on it to activate it.  If you are not using jaws (I used jaws 16 to complete the survey), then use a comparable keystroke that wil enable you to use the mouse pointer (I am not very faimiliar with windows eyes or other screen readers).


On 11/9/15, Lisa Irving <peacefulwoman89 at cox.net> wrote:
> Hi Alfredo,
>
>
> I'm wondering if you would elaborate a little more about the purpose 
> of the survey; besides completing an MBA project. I'm missing the 
> connections between the first two questions and the bulk of the survey 
> questions. Also, I encountered a problem with checking a "button" 
> after the question about one's zip code. Any suggestions.
>
>
> From,
> Lisa Irving
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On 
> Behalf Of Alfredo Holguin
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 8:56 PM
> To: mike at michaelhingson.com; cadge
> Subject: [Cagdu] Survey from previous NFC of California scholarship 
> winner
>
> Hello,
> My name is Alfredo and I am in my last semester for my MBA @ SDSU and 
> need to conduct a marketing analysis for a course I need to graduate.
> I am doing one on a motivational/inspirational blind public speaker.
> Please take the brief survey, it should take no more than 5-7 minutes.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> https://sdsubusiness.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b4m9GkTvUREWGd7
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Alfredo Holguin
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>


--
Sincerely,
Alfredo Holguin
Alfredo?s accessible Technologies Services for the Blind California, USA Providing consultation and training services at an affordable price Specializing in Jaws for Windows, Apple iPhone, IPad, Macintosh, Serotek System Access, Dolphin Guide, GWMicro's BookSsense and overall researching which technological innovations best fit blients who are blind Knowledge is Power But Sharing Knowledge is MORE Powerful _______________________________________________
Cagdu mailing list
Cagdu at nfbcal.org
https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu



From mike at michaelhingson.com  Sat Nov 14 16:32:54 2015
From: mike at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 16:32:54 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] Texas has a guide dog division
Message-ID: <01d401d11f3d$2b7e0400$827a0c00$@com>

I thought all y'all would like to know that this morning the National
Federation of the Blind of Texas formed the Texas Association of Guide Dog
Users with 13 members present. Nine attendees have guide dogs, two are
interested in getting guide dogs and two are either soon to attend class to
get a dog or are somewhere in the application process.

 

The meeting was exciting and full of spirit. We look forward to great things
from TXAGDU. Stay tuned. 

 

 

Best Regards,

 

 

Michael Hingson

 

The Michael Hingson Group, INC.

"Speaking with Vision"

Michael Hingson, President

(415) 827-4084

info at michaelhingson.com

To order Michael Hingson's new book, Running With Roselle, and check on
Michael Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit:

www.michaelhingson.com

 

To purchase your own portrait of Roselle painted by the world's foremost
animal artist, Ron Burns, please visit  <http://www.ronburns.com/roselle>
http://www.ronburns.com/roselle

 

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From judotina48kg at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 08:18:25 2015
From: judotina48kg at gmail.com (Tina Thomas)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 08:18:25 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] FW: Blind woman ordered to give up guide dog after it bites
	3	strangers
Message-ID: <1e2d01d1208a$6ca874d0$45f95e70$@gmail.com>

Subject: [nagdu] Blind woman ordered to give up guide dog after it bites 3
strangers

Blind woman ordered to give up guide dog after it bites 3 strangers


This photo shows a bite wound on the hand of Lynn Spuhler, a TriMet LIFT
operator who told investigators that a guide dog, Noni, attacked him when he
showed up at owner Connie Walker's door in Gresham in January 2015. Spuhler
was there to give a ride to Walker and her dog.

Aimee Green | The Oregonian/OregonLive


on November 13, 2015 at 3:10 PM, updated November 13, 2015 at 3:18 PM 

Multnomah County Courts

Blind woman ordered to give up guide dog after it bites 3 strangers

A 65-year-old blind woman fighting to keep her beloved certified guide dog
has asked a Multnomah County Circuit judge to reverse an order severing her
ownership rights to the German shepherd mix named Noni.

In July, hearings officer Linda Beloof decided that the dog should be
removed from Connie K. Walker's Gresham home for good after the dog bit
three strangers -- a nurse, a patient at a Gresham medical clinic and a
TriMet bus driver -- over the course of a year from February 2014 to January
2015.

The ruling came after Multnomah County Animal Services reported that Walker
has repeatedly refused to follow previous directives to muzzle the dog while
out in public or confine the dog to a back room of her home when caregivers
visit.

The case has put Animal Services, the hearings officer and now a Multnomah
County Circuit judge in the unenviable position of deciding whether to strip
a disabled woman of her service animal.

"This is a very difficult and unfortunate situation," the hearings officer
wrote. "I am reluctant to take Noni away from Ms. Walker; I also understand
the County's concern that the public needs to be kept safe from Noni."

The case won't be argued before Multnomah County Circuit Judge Thomas Ryan
until December at the earliest.




 In the meantime, Walker's attorney has won a temporary order stopping
Animal Services from taking Noni from her home.

Walker hadn't been muzzling Noni because she thought it sent the message
that the dog was vicious when it's not, said her lawyer, Robert Babcock of
Lake Oswego.

"That has been her view -- that basically people should know better than to
pat or reach down or approach suddenly working dogs," Babcock said. "She
didn't want to use the muzzle."


But ever since the order to remove the dog, Walker has followed the
restrictions "whether she likes it or not," Babcock said.

If Walker loses Noni, it's unclear if she could get another accredited guide
dog. It's also unclear what would happen to the dog. Beloof, the hearings
officer, has increased its classification from a "Level 3 potentially
dangerous dog" to the county's highest caution category, "Level 4
potentially dangerous dog."

A Level 4 dog seized by officials isn't automatically euthanized, said
Jackie Rose, Animal Services director. The dog could go to a new home if an
evaluation shows adoption would work, but it would have to wear a muzzle in
public, among other restrictions, she said.

"It's not a life sentence or a death sentence, by any means," Rose said of
Level 4 dogs. "Our goal is to not euthanize. Our goal is to place as many
animals as we possibly can."

Rose declined to comment further about Walker's case because it's pending.

Babcock declined a request to interview his client.

But records show that Animal Services has struggled with what to do about
Walker and her dog as reports mounted of Noni's concerning behavior.

According to the case file, a deputy public guardian with Multnomah County
Aging and Disability Services said caregivers who dispense medications to
Walker at her home or visit to check on her well-being have repeatedly been
confronted by the dog barking, lunging and growling at them -- and that
Walker has refused to confine the animal.

"Ms. Walker will not give 'Noni' up voluntarily, even threatening suicide,"
states a summary of the guardian's statements.

The guardian also reported that Walker said the dog has bitten her in the
face.

Two medical providers have refused to treat Walker if she brings her dog
along to appointments. Neighbors also have complained about Noni's barking.

Walker's troubles with Animal Services ramped up in February 2014, when a
nurse at Adventist Medical Center reported that Walker and her dog had been
brought to the Southeast Portland hospital by ambulance. The two had been
placed in a room and at first, "Noni was very sweet to me, jumping onto my
shoulders and licking my face, tail wagging," wrote nurse Mary French.

But the nurse wrote that Noni later aggressively barked and lunged at three
other staff members, then scratched the back of her hand and lunged toward
her face. The wound didn't break the nurse's skin, but it was sore for a few
days.

Walker's side of the story wasn't included in records submitted to the
court. She received a "notice of infraction" from Animal Services and
ordered to muzzle the dog in public and keep it in another room when
caregivers visited her home. She also was warned that new violations could
result in loss of ownership, according to the case file.

In August 2014, a man at a Providence medical clinic in Gresham reported
that he had walked up to a reception-area counter to sign in when Noni --
who he had seen sleeping seconds earlier at Walker's feet -- suddenly bit
his arm. The man, Merle Schnackenberg, said he did nothing to agitate the
dog.

Walker told Animal Services that the man must have done something to provoke
her dog, but she couldn't be sure what that was because she couldn't see.

Then in January, Noni bit a TriMet LIFT operator in the hand after he
arrived at Walker's doorstep to give her a ride. The operator, Lynn Spuhler,
wrote that the dog was barking when Walker opened the door. Walker asked the
operator to take her bag, and when he touched the bag, the dog started
barking even more.

"The dog started to settle down and I said let me have him sniff my hand,
when I held my hand out he sniffed it then lunged and before I could pull it
back he bit me," Spuhler wrote.

Walker added to the dog's agitation, he wrote. "Instead of being calm with
the dog she was yelling at it, jerking on his lead violently, hitting him,"
he wrote. The bite broke his skin and was bleeding.

In her dog's defense, Walker said the TriMet driver stepped into her home
before the dog bit her.

"They're not supposed to step in," said Babock, Walker's attorney.

Animal Services cited Walker in each of the three cases. That led to a June
hearing and Beloof's July order revoking Walker's ownership.

Walker is getting free legal assistance from Babcock. Babcock's wife, Gail
O'Connell-Babcock, learned of Walker's situation through her nonprofit
called Watchdog and offered her husband's legal services.

For years, Watchdog has vocally criticized euthanasia by Animal Services.
The organization states its mission as "Protecting pets and people from
Oregon's animal control agencies."

-- Aimee Green

agreen at oregonian.com





From peacefulwoman89 at cox.net  Mon Nov 16 13:20:52 2015
From: peacefulwoman89 at cox.net (Lisa Irving)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:20:52 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] FW: Blind woman ordered to give up guide dog after it
	bites 3	strangers
In-Reply-To: <iGJn1r01r2iyqr901GJvyq>
References: <iGJn1r01r2iyqr901GJvyq>
Message-ID: <68FD0328-9FD5-42EA-9045-14F7074147A8@cox.net>

I have a lot of questions. First, the article says the dog is from an accredited school which one? It doesn't appear as though they have been involved. Is anyone know has this been the case? Provoked in anyway? I have to admit I think the person should retire or return the dog.

From,
Lisa Irving

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 16, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Subject: [nagdu] Blind woman ordered to give up guide dog after it bites 3
> strangers
> 
> Blind woman ordered to give up guide dog after it bites 3 strangers
> 
> 
> This photo shows a bite wound on the hand of Lynn Spuhler, a TriMet LIFT
> operator who told investigators that a guide dog, Noni, attacked him when he
> showed up at owner Connie Walker's door in Gresham in January 2015. Spuhler
> was there to give a ride to Walker and her dog.
> 
> Aimee Green | The Oregonian/OregonLive
> 
> 
> on November 13, 2015 at 3:10 PM, updated November 13, 2015 at 3:18 PM 
> 
> Multnomah County Courts
> 
> Blind woman ordered to give up guide dog after it bites 3 strangers
> 
> A 65-year-old blind woman fighting to keep her beloved certified guide dog
> has asked a Multnomah County Circuit judge to reverse an order severing her
> ownership rights to the German shepherd mix named Noni.
> 
> In July, hearings officer Linda Beloof decided that the dog should be
> removed from Connie K. Walker's Gresham home for good after the dog bit
> three strangers -- a nurse, a patient at a Gresham medical clinic and a
> TriMet bus driver -- over the course of a year from February 2014 to January
> 2015.
> 
> The ruling came after Multnomah County Animal Services reported that Walker
> has repeatedly refused to follow previous directives to muzzle the dog while
> out in public or confine the dog to a back room of her home when caregivers
> visit.
> 
> The case has put Animal Services, the hearings officer and now a Multnomah
> County Circuit judge in the unenviable position of deciding whether to strip
> a disabled woman of her service animal.
> 
> "This is a very difficult and unfortunate situation," the hearings officer
> wrote. "I am reluctant to take Noni away from Ms. Walker; I also understand
> the County's concern that the public needs to be kept safe from Noni."
> 
> The case won't be argued before Multnomah County Circuit Judge Thomas Ryan
> until December at the earliest.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In the meantime, Walker's attorney has won a temporary order stopping
> Animal Services from taking Noni from her home.
> 
> Walker hadn't been muzzling Noni because she thought it sent the message
> that the dog was vicious when it's not, said her lawyer, Robert Babcock of
> Lake Oswego.
> 
> "That has been her view -- that basically people should know better than to
> pat or reach down or approach suddenly working dogs," Babcock said. "She
> didn't want to use the muzzle."
> 
> 
> But ever since the order to remove the dog, Walker has followed the
> restrictions "whether she likes it or not," Babcock said.
> 
> If Walker loses Noni, it's unclear if she could get another accredited guide
> dog. It's also unclear what would happen to the dog. Beloof, the hearings
> officer, has increased its classification from a "Level 3 potentially
> dangerous dog" to the county's highest caution category, "Level 4
> potentially dangerous dog."
> 
> A Level 4 dog seized by officials isn't automatically euthanized, said
> Jackie Rose, Animal Services director. The dog could go to a new home if an
> evaluation shows adoption would work, but it would have to wear a muzzle in
> public, among other restrictions, she said.
> 
> "It's not a life sentence or a death sentence, by any means," Rose said of
> Level 4 dogs. "Our goal is to not euthanize. Our goal is to place as many
> animals as we possibly can."
> 
> Rose declined to comment further about Walker's case because it's pending.
> 
> Babcock declined a request to interview his client.
> 
> But records show that Animal Services has struggled with what to do about
> Walker and her dog as reports mounted of Noni's concerning behavior.
> 
> According to the case file, a deputy public guardian with Multnomah County
> Aging and Disability Services said caregivers who dispense medications to
> Walker at her home or visit to check on her well-being have repeatedly been
> confronted by the dog barking, lunging and growling at them -- and that
> Walker has refused to confine the animal.
> 
> "Ms. Walker will not give 'Noni' up voluntarily, even threatening suicide,"
> states a summary of the guardian's statements.
> 
> The guardian also reported that Walker said the dog has bitten her in the
> face.
> 
> Two medical providers have refused to treat Walker if she brings her dog
> along to appointments. Neighbors also have complained about Noni's barking.
> 
> Walker's troubles with Animal Services ramped up in February 2014, when a
> nurse at Adventist Medical Center reported that Walker and her dog had been
> brought to the Southeast Portland hospital by ambulance. The two had been
> placed in a room and at first, "Noni was very sweet to me, jumping onto my
> shoulders and licking my face, tail wagging," wrote nurse Mary French.
> 
> But the nurse wrote that Noni later aggressively barked and lunged at three
> other staff members, then scratched the back of her hand and lunged toward
> her face. The wound didn't break the nurse's skin, but it was sore for a few
> days.
> 
> Walker's side of the story wasn't included in records submitted to the
> court. She received a "notice of infraction" from Animal Services and
> ordered to muzzle the dog in public and keep it in another room when
> caregivers visited her home. She also was warned that new violations could
> result in loss of ownership, according to the case file.
> 
> In August 2014, a man at a Providence medical clinic in Gresham reported
> that he had walked up to a reception-area counter to sign in when Noni --
> who he had seen sleeping seconds earlier at Walker's feet -- suddenly bit
> his arm. The man, Merle Schnackenberg, said he did nothing to agitate the
> dog.
> 
> Walker told Animal Services that the man must have done something to provoke
> her dog, but she couldn't be sure what that was because she couldn't see.
> 
> Then in January, Noni bit a TriMet LIFT operator in the hand after he
> arrived at Walker's doorstep to give her a ride. The operator, Lynn Spuhler,
> wrote that the dog was barking when Walker opened the door. Walker asked the
> operator to take her bag, and when he touched the bag, the dog started
> barking even more.
> 
> "The dog started to settle down and I said let me have him sniff my hand,
> when I held my hand out he sniffed it then lunged and before I could pull it
> back he bit me," Spuhler wrote.
> 
> Walker added to the dog's agitation, he wrote. "Instead of being calm with
> the dog she was yelling at it, jerking on his lead violently, hitting him,"
> he wrote. The bite broke his skin and was bleeding.
> 
> In her dog's defense, Walker said the TriMet driver stepped into her home
> before the dog bit her.
> 
> "They're not supposed to step in," said Babock, Walker's attorney.
> 
> Animal Services cited Walker in each of the three cases. That led to a June
> hearing and Beloof's July order revoking Walker's ownership.
> 
> Walker is getting free legal assistance from Babcock. Babcock's wife, Gail
> O'Connell-Babcock, learned of Walker's situation through her nonprofit
> called Watchdog and offered her husband's legal services.
> 
> For years, Watchdog has vocally criticized euthanasia by Animal Services.
> The organization states its mission as "Protecting pets and people from
> Oregon's animal control agencies."
> 
> -- Aimee Green
> 
> agreen at oregonian.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu


From blind411 at verizon.net  Sun Nov 15 12:43:17 2015
From: blind411 at verizon.net (NAGDU)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 15:43:17 -0500
Subject: [Cagdu] [nagdu] Texas has a guide dog division
In-Reply-To: <01d401d11f3d$2b7e0400$827a0c00$@com>
References: <01d401d11f3d$2b7e0400$827a0c00$@com>
Message-ID: <EF009D19-9006-4740-B628-238EA67BC6DF@verizon.net>

Congratulations to the Texas Association of Guide Dog Users and their newly elected board of directors! As I write this, I am on the bus home from Wilkes-Barre, PA where I represented NAGDU at the NFB of Pennsylvania convention! Happy birthday to the NFB! Let's go build the Federation!

Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala 



Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Michael Hingson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:



From judotina48kg at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 12:49:08 2015
From: judotina48kg at gmail.com (Tina Thomas)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:49:08 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] FW: [seeing-eye] harness monitors health of dog
In-Reply-To: <00a601d12182$f7c4a5e0$e74df1a0$@comcast.net>
References: <00a601d12182$f7c4a5e0$e74df1a0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <394701d1230b$bd3a9300$37afb900$@gmail.com>

Here is an interesting article. 

Enjoy, 

S

 

ubject: [seeing-eye] harness monitors health of dog

 

Harness monitors health and well-being of guide dogs
http://www.treehugger.com/gadgets/harness-monitors-health-and-well-being-guide-dogs.html

There is an image of the harness handle. The prototype handles looks 
like it's made of PVC, but I wonder what sort of weight the two motors 
will add to it.

TEXT for the article:

Guide dogs andservice dogs 
<http://www.treehugger.com/slideshows/endangered-species/amazing-dogs-save-species-and-ecosystems/>are 
wonderful healthcare companions for people who live with a range of 
disabilities or illnesses from blindness to seizures. They help people 
navigate their way through the world and alert them if they need to seek 
medical attention or find a safe spot in the case of a seizure or blood 
pressure drop.

They do a lot for their owners, but they have needs of their own too. 
For blind caregivers it's difficult to notice the signs of stress or 
heat exhaustion in a dog and even for owners whose sight is fine, the 
signs are not always obvious because guide dogs are bred and trained to 
remain outwardly calm and to blend in with their surroundings.

Researchers atNorth Carolina State University 
<https://news.ncsu.edu/2015/11/roberts-guide-dog-2015/>wanted to make 
monitoring a service dog's wellbeing easier for its caretaker, so they 
invented a harness that monitors the heart rate and breathing of the dog 
and communicates to the owner when signs of stress are detected. The 
handler can then remove the dog from the stressful situation, or in the 
case of heat exhaustion, move them out of the heat and find water.

guide dog handle/?North Carolina State University 
<https://news.ncsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Roberts-Sidebar-FULL.jpg>/

The harness has a specialized handle that attaches to the 
health-monitoring harness that is equipped with two vibrating motors. 
One of the motors is in the handle by the owner's thumb and it vibrates 
in time with the dog's heart rate so that the handler can quickly detect 
an increase caused by stress. The other motor is located on the other 
end of the handle by the owner's pinky finger. That motor vibrates in 
synch with the dog's respiration, increasing and decreasing in intensity 
to simulate the in and out breaths.

In tests with blind handlers using simulated data, the users were able 
to effectively notice the signs of stress from the vibrations.

Repeated stress can lead to the early retirement of guide or service 
dogs, so having a way to monitor and communicate the wellbeing of those 
dogs to their handlers means a longer beneficial relationship between 
the dog and the person it's helping.

The researchers now plan to tweak the design of the handle and do more 
testing with guide-dog handlers. Lead researcher Sean Mealin, who is 
himself blind and uses a guide dog, hopes that they'll have this 
technology ready for people to use in the near future.

 

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:56:13 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] FW: Fwd:article about a service dog
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Running, riding bikes and even walking had always been a challenge for 11-year-old Bella Burton due to a rare genetic condition she was diagnosed with when she was 2 and a half. But ever since Bella began leaning on George, a 2-year-old Great Dane whom she met about a year ago through a local organization, she has ditched her wheelchair and crutches, and started to do all the things all the other healthy kids her age can with ease, WCVB reported.

The pair stay by each other's side throughout the day- Bella's 44-pound, 43-inch-tall body relying on 131-pound George's frame to steady her as she holds onto a harness attached to his back, which hovers just below her shoulder. This system helps the fifth-grader navigate her elementary school's halls. When she's in class or eating lunch at the cafeteria, George simply rests at her feet, ABC News reported.

Over the past month, media have covered George and Bella's friendship, which began a year ago, causing their story to go viral.


"I had wheelchairs, walkers, Canadian crutches, regular crutches, and then we got George and I dropped my crutches and started to use him," Bella, of Woburn, Mass., told WCVB.

Thanks to George, Bella can ride her bike, sled in the winter and even run along the beach in the summer.

"I don't remember the last time I watched my child run through the yard," Rachel Burton, Bella's mom, told reporters at TODAY. "Seeing her just run was amazing to us."

Bella's condition, Morquio syndrome, occurs when the body does not have a sufficient amount of a substance required to break down long chains of a certain type of sugar molecule, according to the National Institutes of Health (NIH). The syndrome leads to organ damage and causes abnormal development of the bones and spine, as well as a bell-shaped chest with ribs flared at the bottom and knock-knees. Cognitive development isn't affected, but bone problems can lead to paralysis, and heart issues can lead to death, according to the NIH.

Morquio syndrome occurs in an estimated 1 in 200,000 births worldwide. Researchers are experimenting with enzyme replacement to treat Morquio syndrome, but they have not yet found a cure.

TODAY reported that the Burtons were not actively looking for a service dog to help Bella, but when they learned about the Service Dog Project, Inc. in Ipswich, Mass., they decided to reach out. The program trains Great Danes, which are known to have a calm and friendly demeanor, to help individuals with mobility and balance problems.

"Once we saw Bella being around those dogs, how she was always in such a great mood and she loved going there, we thought, 'What are we waiting for?'" Burton told TODAY.

In December, the Burtons are traveling to Orlando, Fla., where the American Kennel Club will honor George with its Award for Canine Excellence, WCVB reported.


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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 15:53:32 -0800
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>From http://growingupguidepup.org/pet-or-service-dog-that-is-the-question/ Reproduced without permission. 

Pet or Service Dog, That is the Question



By Colt Rosensweig

Every week, it seems, a news channel will run a segment on so-called ?fake service dogs??otherwise known as, well, pets. These segments tend to turn into a tutorial on how to abuse the service dog system in the United States. And they provoke a knee-jerk reaction from many members of the public.

?There should be certification of these dogs!?

?We need tighter regulations on service dogs!?

?Why don?t handlers carry around ID cards that prove their dog is a service dog??

?Real service dogs only come from programs; if we just eliminate owner-training, no one will be able to pass their pet off as a service dog!?

While these proposed solutions may sound good on their face, they are actually quite problematic. They are also directly opposed to the regulations and intentions put forward in the Americans with Disabilities Act.

The Law: What defines a service dog



The rights of people with disabilities are specially protected by both federal (the Americans with Disabilities Act) and state laws. For the purposes of this article, I will primarily focus on federal law, as it relates to service dogs.

The ADA states that ?a service animal is defined as a dog that has been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for an individual with a disability.  The task(s) performed by the dog must be directly related to the person?s disability.? This law is intentionally designed to provide the broadest possible protection for disabled people. It is important to note that the ADA does not require:

	? A service dog to be trained by a program. Service dogs can be trained by anyone, including the disabled handler him or herself.
	? A service dog to be a particular size or breed. Many service dog tasks don?t necessitate a large dog?small dogs can perform signal alert or seizure response tasks, for example, just as well or better than a large dog. Breed specific legislation does not apply to service dogs. A dog of any breed or mix who has the ability and aptitude for the work can be a service dog.
	? Specific types of collars to be used on a service dog. Service dogs may work in whatever equipment a handler deems optimal, be that a flat buckle collar, check chain, prong collar, head collar, or any other piece of equipment.
	? A service dog to wear any identifying vest, harness, or other markers. Some dogs wear harnesses as part of their job (such as a guide dog), and many wear vests as a courtesy to the general public and/or to signal the dog when it is work time. This is entirely up to the handler.
The ADA also specifically notes that emotional support and companionship are not considered tasks. These are happy bonuses of having a service dog, but if these are all that the dog provides, that means the dog is a pet. No person, disabled or otherwise, has the right under federal law to bring a pet into no-pet areas.

The Law: The rights of businesses

In addition to being trained to mitigate their handler?s disability, a service dog also must be trained to behave professionally in public. The dog must also be leashed or tethered in some way unless that interferes with the dog?s ability to do a task. There is no written code of conduct or etiquette for service dogs, largely because each service dog?s job can vary so much from another?s. However, there are several behaviors that no service dog should ever engage in while working in public.

A business has the legal right (and, many handlers would say, the obligation) to have a dog removed from the premises if:

	? The dog is out of control and the handler takes no steps to control it.
	? The dog is not housebroken.
	? The dog poses a direct threat to the health and safety of others.
It is important to note that all of these are behavioral requirements. These apply to all dogs. This means that regardless of who did the dog?s training, where it came from, whether the handler is obviously disabled, what kind of vest it is wearing, and so on, a dog who behaves in such a manner can and should be removed from the business.

Why is this so important? Because while training certifications, special patches, I.D. cards, and other such items of gear can be obtained by almost anyone, behavior cannot be faked. A pet will nearly always give itself away as such by behaving in ways no service dog would ever be permitted to do.

Businesses are also allowed to ask the handler two questions, if it?s not obvious what the service dog?s job is. Businesses can ask 1) if the dog is a service dog, and 2) what the dog is trained to do. This does not mean the business may pry into the details of the handler?s disability. Many handlers will be intentionally vague when asked the second question, especially if they have a psychiatric disability, since such disabilities often carry an unfortunate amount of social stigma. Once these questions have been answered appropriately, the business must allow the handler and dog access unless the dog misbehaves in one of the ways described above.

Unwritten Rules: Common service dog etiquette

Thanks to a new, more comprehensive FAQ published by the Department of Justice this summer, not all of these unwritten rules remain unwritten. Still, the ?rules? I?m about to list are not a point of universal agreement among handlers. And there are always exceptions to these rules, especially when a dog is engaged in a task.

Generally, a service dog should be focused on his handler and his job. He shouldn?t be sniffing merchandise excessively, or soliciting attention from strangers. He should ignore food as well as people trying to attract his attention.



Service dogs should keep ?four on the floor,? unless it is unsafe for them to do so, or they need to do a task. For example, while it may be safe most of the time for a very small service dog to walk at heel like a large dog, in a thick crowd it is safer for the handler to carry or sling the dog. A service dog should stay under the table while in a restaurant, but if her handler starts to have a panic attack, it is perfectly acceptable for her to get up and perform deep pressure therapy while across her handler?s lap. Service dogs should not be sitting on restaurant chairs or booths, or riding in shopping carts.

Service dogs should not pull their handlers willy-nilly while on leash; even while pulling in harness, the dog should be well-controlled. This doesn?t mean that all service dogs must walk in a perfect heel. But generally, a service dog should move easily with the handler without pulling. Much of the time, a dog yanking its owner around is a pet. However, some service dogs have been taught to take charge in situations where their handler is unable to do so. If a handler becomes overwhelmed, the dog may have been taught to take her to a safe place or a specific person. This can sometimes look like the dog is pulling. It?s usually not too hard to tell the difference between a focused service dog taking her handler somewhere as a task, and a pet dog dragging his owner to whatever has captured his attention.

When encountering other dogs in public, service dogs should ignore them or be easily redirected away from them. Service dogs should not fixate on other dogs, or lunge, bark, or growl. Aggression is never acceptable in a service dog. It should be noted, though, that service dogs in training may have dog reactivity issues they are working on. A responsible handler will deal with the situation, either by refocusing the dog or moving him further away from whatever is causing the behavior. People with pets will often make excuses for or completely ignore behavior that is unacceptable in a working dog.

Every dog, including service dogs, will have bad days. No dog is perfectly behaved 100% of the time. And every handler either has had or will have that horrible day when they don?t know their service dog?s stomach is upset and they have a potty accident in a store. A good indicator of whether the dog is a working dog or a pet whose owner has dressed it up is how the handler responds to lapses in behavior. A service dog handler will address lapses in behavior immediately, while a person who has vested their pet will usually ignore or try to rationalize bad behavior.

Service dog handlers often tend to be their dogs? harshest critics. The day when you are dying inside because your service dog has sniffed seven different things in the grocery store and won?t position himself precisely and has made googly eyes at five different strangers is invariably the day when every person you meet seems to be telling you how perfect your dog is.

Abuse: How it affects service dog teams



When pet owners abuse the system by taking their dressed-up pets into public, it directly hurts real service dog teams. If the pet misbehaves, the business owner will be far more likely to distrust the next team they encounter. If the pet owner shows a business a scam ID from the internet to gain access, when a legitimate team refuses to produce such an ID, they may be discriminated against and denied access. The same goes for pet owners showing ?papers,? which also come from scam sites online.

Having to re-educate business owners can be extremely difficult for disabled handlers. Some people have anxiety disorders that make it nearly impossible to deal with such conflict. Many have a very limited amount of energy to expend each day, and having to educate a business can make it difficult or impossible to complete the rest of what that person hoped to accomplish that day.

And if disabled handlers are completely denied access, then we have to spend our limited resources and energy filing a complaint with the Department of Justice. This will also be bad for the business, as they can be fined for denying access to a service dog team.

Abuse: How it affects the pet

Something that pet owners who dress up their dogs clearly don?t consider is how their actions negatively affect their pet. The reason it takes so long (18-24 months) to train a service dog is that their job is extremely demanding and stressful. Even programs that breed their own service dog prospects have high wash-out or career-change rates. So it should come as no surprise that the average pet dog is ill-equipped to deal with the stress of being in no-pet public areas.

Service dogs are specially trained to deal with things like children racing up to them and invading their space, adults randomly reaching for their heads, shopping carts rattling by inches from their face, and crowds pressing in on them from every direction. These things can stress pet dogs out beyond their thresh hold.

Some pet dogs will shut down in the face of such stress?this is very unpleasant for the dog. But some dogs will be so stressed out that they lash out. This is not only unpleasant for the dog, but dangerous to the dog, owner, and members of the public. A dog who bites a child because she?s been pushed beyond what she can handle not only hurts any service dog team following them. That child will likely be hurt, and possibly be traumatized. And the dog may end up being killed because of that bite. These are serious consequences, and if pet owners actually considered them and cared more about their dogs than themselves, they would not dress their dogs in vests and drag them into public.

Possible solutions

While many people believe that increased limitations and regulations on service dogs and disabled people will solve the problem of pets in public, it is important to realize that we already have laws in place to stop this.

Business owners need further education, clearly, on what their own rights are. Many business owners are afraid to confront people with pets in vests because such people will often go straight to the media and complain about discrimination. Often they will also try internet campaigns to ruin the business.

For example, a man last year insisted to employees at a Bonefish Grill that he had the right to have his dog sit on the booth beside him during his meal. When the employees told him his dog needed to be on the floor?where service dogs belong, when not actively engaged in a task?he blew up. Unfortunately, this man had a huge internet following which flooded Bonefish?s Facebook page with negative comments and reviews.

That particular story ended well for the business. Service dog teams responded to the man?s followers by posting multitudes of photos of their service dogs behaving properly at restaurants?lying quietly under the table. Handlers posted messages of support and even made a point of patronizing a Bonefish franchise near them. But the story shows how even when a person behaves poorly with their dog, they can still try, and sometimes succeed, at smearing the business owner who only stood up for his or her rights.

When business owners stand up for their rights, furthermore, it protects service dog teams. The absolute last thing that we as handlers want to encounter in a no-pets business is a pet who has no business being there. Countless numbers of service dogs, owner-trained and program-trained, have had to be expensively rehabbed or even retired because they were attacked by pets dressed as service dogs.

Behavior is the only unfakeable and completely reliable way to evaluate a dog on a given day. Adding extra hoops for disabled people to jump through, or treating us like second-class citizens by forcing us to show proof of our disability anytime we want to go out in public, does nothing to prevent unscrupulous people from finding ways to bring their pets into public. Certifications and ID cards can be faked. Impeccable behavior can?t be purchased for $50 from an internet scam site. It can?t be obtained in a day. It takes an incredible amount of time and dedication. People who want to ?take Fluffykins with me everywhere!? are not the kind of people who will put in two years of training to make sure Fluffykins can handle it.

In addition to educating businesses on their rights and getting those rights enforced, another part of the solution is increasing the punishment for both people who dress their pets as service dogs and the companies that sell useless, problematic certifications and ID cards. It is against the law already to falsely represent oneself as disabled, or one?s pet as a service dog. But in most states it is a misdemeanor, and punished so infrequently that these people feel no qualms about openly admitting their lawbreaking to news stations, publications, or even service dog handlers.

Falsely representing a pet as a service dog should be a felony, with meaningful punishments. And selling scam IDs and certifications should be plain illegal. The new FAQ published this summer specifically states that ?there are individuals and organizations that sell service animal certification or registration documents online. These documents do not convey any rights under the ADA and the Department of Justice does not recognize them as proof that the dog is a service animal.? It?s important for owner trainers to be able to buy their gear online?most of us don?t have the talent with sewing and/or leather working to be able to create our gear on our own?but there is no reason anyone needs papers or ID cards.

There are ways to combat people who bring pets inappropriately into public without punishing disabled handlers in the process. Adding further regulations, extra hoops and obstacles, just makes it harder for disabled handlers to get and train the dogs they so desperately need. Unethical people would still find ways to fake the ID cards or certification papers, if they were implemented, while ethical disabled people would simply be without service dogs?especially if they wish to owner-train.

Behavior in public is what matters. Any dog who behaves inappropriately in public, without being brought under control by the handler, needs to be removed. This is already part of the law. We just have to enforce it!


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From judotina48kg at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 17:43:56 2015
From: judotina48kg at gmail.com (Tina Thomas)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 17:43:56 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] FW: dog stories
Message-ID: <077601d12590$6ba3cbb0$42eb6310$@gmail.com>

Subject: dog stories

 

  

  

In these turbulent, sad days, we need a happy dog story.

This is about 1,000 dogs and 100 cats that, instead of being euthanized, on
Friday headed out in private planes toward happy adopted lives.

A family to throw Frisbees for them. Kids who need to cuddle with them at
night. A wagging tail that brightens the end of a bad workday.


Want to adopt an animal?


Go to the  <http://www.wingsofrescue.org/> Wings of Rescue website and click
"Holiday Airlift 2015" for a list of participating shelters.

A batch of about 100 dogs and a few cats arrived at Paine Field in Everett
from Van Nuys Airport on a Fairchild Metroliner twin-engine cargo plane.

You could hear the barking even before the door was opened.

Hey, what would you do if you had been in a stack of dog kennels for nearly
four hours? The outnumbered cats were considerably quieter.

Waiting for them were workers and volunteers for shelters that included the
Skagit and Kitsap County Humane Societies, PAWS and the Noah Center.

100 dogs and 10 cats arrived in Seattle Friday, part of 1,100 California
shelter animals due to be euthanized that were flown by the Wings of Rescue
group to shelters in Washington and throughout the region. (Erik Lacitis /
The Seattle Times)

By now, the crews had a routine. Line up the kennels on the tarmac right
outside Castle & Cooke Aviation. Check the paperwork. Start loading into the
lined-up vans for the drive to the shelters.

These shelters have been part of  <http://www.wingsofrescue.org/> Wings of
Rescue, based in Woodland Hills in Los Angeles, for a year or more, meeting
the planes once or twice a month. On Friday, two leased cargo planes and 23
smaller aircraft flew out the 1,100 dogs and cats, "our biggest holiday
airlift ever."

In California, shelters are overcrowded and euthanasia is common. In the
Pacific Northwest, shelters actively look for dogs.

Says Ric Browde, the transport coordinator for the California group,
"Washington is a godsend for us. You people, you're more educated, more
responsible. You have a higher level of humanity and compassion. People tend
to vaccinate, keep pets indoors.

"Maybe it's the weather in Los Angeles. Sunny skies 12 months a year. We
have dogs in the streets, procreating."

Wings of Rescue was founded by Cindy Smith, a real-estate broker, and Yehuda
Netanel, a real-estate developer. Both also are recreational pilots and dog
enthusiasts.

Maybe a little more than enthusiasts.

"How many dogs do I have?" says Smith. "I have an eclectic bunch. A
Chihuahua. Pit bulls. A Great Dane mix. I have lots. I don't want to get
into trouble with animal control."

They decided to make dogs their cause.

The two founded the group in 2011, with the idea of having pilots use their
planes to save animals from kill shelters.

Their "squadron" of pilots has so far flown out 15,200 dogs, with some
flights costing $2,500 to $5,000 for fuel and hangar costs, depending on
distance.

A few of the dogs came Friday with a little bit of narrative.

"My name is: Tiger. I'll be available: NOW! I'm an altered male, brown,
short haired Chihuahua mix. My friends at the shelter think I'm about 9
years old. I came to the shelter as an owner surrender . " says one.

Browde says the California shelters that give them dogs typically don't
provide any kind of story about the animals. And forget about a short video
that many shelters here use to attract possible owners.

 <http://ricbrowde.com/dogrescue/wp-content/uploads/Downey.pdf> On his
website, Browde took it upon himself to promote some dogs.


Related stories and features


 
<http://www.seattletimes.com/life/pets/readers-share-their-love-for-pets-in-
photos/#mid=&offset=&page=&s=> Photo gallery: Share pictures of your pets
and view the gallery

 <http://www.seattletimes.com/life/pets/> More stories featuring pets

"Roxy is a cuddly 8 year old brown and white spayed female Boxer who was
dumped . her former owners woke up that day and decided that they no longer
wanted the responsibility of taking care of a dog."

"Wiley is a regal 7 year old black male Labrador retriever who was found
without either a collar and attached identification tags or a microchip .
Wiley is a perfect gentleman and an ideal indoor pet for an individual or
family living in a private home."

He says it works wonders to provide some personality to the animals, and
they get adopted much more quickly.

Browde also has the task of naming the dogs. It's easier to adopt out a
Monty than a No. A4881243 M.

It's a task, with hundreds of dogs to name, so he's gotten to names like
"Onyx."

After a few days of R&R, the new arrivals here will be ready for adoption.

 

"Little furries for the holidays," says Katherine Spink of PAWS.

Or in the case of Roofer, a Rottweiler mix soon available at the Skagit
Humane Society, a big guy who'll lick your hand if you brush it past his
kennel.

Come on, and you know who you are, you need a Roofer in your life.

 

 

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From: judotina48kg at gmail.com (Tina Thomas)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 15:07:23 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] FW: Pet or Service Dog, That is the Question
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Subject: [seeing-eye] Pet or Service Dog, That is the Question

 

Pet or Service Dog, That is the Question 

growing up guide pup Blog

Posted on November 20, 2015

By Colt Rosensweig

URL: http://growingupguidepup.org/pet-or-service-dog-that-is-the-question/

 

Every week, it seems, a news channel will run a segment on so-called ?fake service dogs??otherwise known as, well, pets. These segments tend to turn into a tutorial on how to abuse the service dog system in the United States. And they provoke a knee-jerk reaction from many members of the public.

 

?There should be certification of these dogs!?

 

?We need tighter regulations on service dogs!?

 

?Why don?t handlers carry around ID cards that prove their dog is a service dog??

 

?Real service dogs only come from programs; if we just eliminate owner-training, no one will be able to pass their pet off as a service dog!?

 

While these proposed solutions may sound good on their face, they are actually quite problematic. They are also directly opposed to the regulations and

intentions put forward in the Americans with Disabilities Act.

 

The Law: What defines a service dog

 

Service Dogs - Juno and Chief

 

The rights of people with disabilities are specially protected by both federal (the Americans with Disabilities Act) and state laws. For the purposes of

this article, I will primarily focus on federal law, as it relates to service dogs.

 

The ADA states that ?a service animal is defined as a dog that has been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for an individual with a disability. 

The task(s) performed by the dog must be directly related to the person?s disability.? This law is intentionally designed to provide the broadest possible

protection for disabled people. It is important to note that the ADA does not require:

 

list of 4 items

1. A service dog to be trained by a program. Service dogs can be trained by anyone, including the disabled handler him or herself.

2. A service dog to be a particular size or breed. Many service dog tasks don?t necessitate a large dog?small dogs can perform signal alert or seizure

response tasks, for example, just as well or better than a large dog. Breed specific legislation does not apply to service dogs. A dog of any breed or

mix who has the ability and aptitude for the work can be a service dog.

3. Specific types of collars to be used on a service dog. Service dogs may work in whatever equipment a handler deems optimal, be that a flat buckle collar,

check chain, prong collar, head collar, or any other piece of equipment.

4. A service dog to wear any identifying vest, harness, or other markers. Some dogs wear harnesses as part of their job (such as a guide dog), and many

wear vests as a courtesy to the general public and/or to signal the dog when it is work time. This is entirely up to the handler.

list end

 

The ADA also specifically notes that emotional support and companionship are not considered tasks. These are happy bonuses of having a service dog, but

if these are all that the dog provides, that means the dog is a pet. No person, disabled or otherwise, has the right under federal law to bring a pet into

no-pet areas.

 

The Law: The rights of businesses

In addition to being trained to mitigate their handler?s disability, a service dog also must be trained to behave professionally in public. The dog must

also be leashed or tethered in some way unless that interferes with the dog?s ability to do a task. There is no written code of conduct or etiquette for

service dogs, largely because each service dog?s job can vary so much from another?s. However, there are several behaviors that no service dog should ever

engage in while working in public.

 

A business has the legal right (and, many handlers would say, the obligation) to have a dog removed from the premises if:

 

list of 3 items

1. The dog is out of control and the handler takes no steps to control it.

2. The dog is not housebroken.

3. The dog poses a direct threat to the health and safety of others.

list end

 

It is important to note that all of these are behavioral requirements. These apply to all dogs. This means that regardless of who did the dog?s training,

where it came from, whether the handler is obviously disabled, what kind of vest it is wearing, and so on, a dog who behaves in such a manner can and should

be removed from the business.

 

Kaline taking up little space

Why is this so important? Because while training certifications, special patches, I.D. cards, and other such items of gear can be obtained by almost anyone,

behavior cannot be faked. A pet will nearly always give itself away as such by behaving in ways no service dog would ever be permitted to do.

 

Businesses are also allowed to ask the handler two questions, if it?s not obvious what the service dog?s job is. Businesses can ask 1) if the dog is a

service dog, and 2) what the dog is trained to do. This does not mean the business may pry into the details of the handler?s disability. Many handlers

will be intentionally vague when asked the second question, especially if they have a psychiatric disability, since such disabilities often carry an unfortunate

amount of social stigma. Once these questions have been answered appropriately, the business must allow the handler and dog access unless the dog misbehaves

in one of the ways described above.

 

Unwritten Rules: Common service dog etiquette

 

Service Dogs - Rockit and Juno & partners

Thanks to a new, 

more comprehensive FAQ

published by the Department of Justice this summer, not all of these unwritten rules remain unwritten. Still, the ?rules? I?m about to list are not a

point of universal agreement among handlers. And there are always exceptions to these rules, especially when a dog is engaged in a task.

 

Generally, a service dog should be focused on his handler and his job. He shouldn?t be sniffing merchandise excessively, or soliciting attention from strangers.

He should ignore food as well as people trying to attract his attention.

 

Kaline doing a "leave it"

 

Service dogs should keep ?four on the floor,? unless it is unsafe for them to do so, or they need to do a task. For example, while it may be safe most

of the time for a very small service dog to walk at heel like a large dog, in a thick crowd it is safer for the handler to carry or sling the dog. A service

dog should stay under the table while in a restaurant, but if her handler starts to have a panic attack, it is perfectly acceptable for her to get up and

perform deep pressure therapy while across her handler?s lap. Service dogs should not be sitting on restaurant chairs or booths, or riding in shopping

carts.

 

Service dogs should not pull their handlers willy-nilly while on leash; even while pulling in harness, the dog should be well-controlled. This doesn?t

mean that all service dogs must walk in a perfect heel. But generally, a service dog should move easily with the handler without pulling. Much of the time,

a dog yanking its owner around is a pet. However, some service dogs have been taught to take charge in situations where their handler is unable to do so.

If a handler becomes overwhelmed, the dog may have been taught to take her to a safe place or a specific person. This can sometimes look like the dog is

pulling. It?s usually not too hard to tell the difference between a focused service dog taking her handler somewhere as a task, and a pet dog dragging

his owner to whatever has captured his attention.

 

When encountering other dogs in public, service dogs should ignore them or be easily redirected away from them. Service dogs should not fixate on other

dogs, or lunge, bark, or growl. Aggression is never acceptable in a service dog. It should be noted, though, that service dogs in training may have dog

reactivity issues they are working on. A responsible handler will deal with the situation, either by refocusing the dog or moving him further away from

whatever is causing the behavior. People with pets will often make excuses for or completely ignore behavior that is unacceptable in a working dog.

 

Every dog, including service dogs, will have bad days. No dog is perfectly behaved 100% of the time. And every handler either has had or will have that

horrible day when they don?t know their service dog?s stomach is upset and they have a potty accident in a store. A good indicator of whether the dog is

a working dog or a pet whose owner has dressed it up is how the handler responds to lapses in behavior. A service dog handler will address lapses in behavior

immediately, while a person who has vested their pet will usually ignore or try to rationalize bad behavior.

 

Service dog handlers often tend to be their dogs? harshest critics. The day when you are dying inside because your service dog has sniffed seven different

things in the grocery store and won?t position himself precisely and has made googly eyes at five different strangers is invariably the day when every

person you meet seems to be telling you how perfect your dog is.

 

Abuse: How it affects service dog teams

 

Kaline in front of "No Dogs" sign

 

When pet owners abuse the system by taking their dressed-up pets into public, it directly hurts real service dog teams. If the pet misbehaves, the business

owner will be far more likely to distrust the next team they encounter. If the pet owner shows a business a scam ID from the internet to gain access, when

a legitimate team refuses to produce such an ID, they may be discriminated against and denied access. The same goes for pet owners showing ?papers,? which

also come from scam sites online.

 

Having to re-educate business owners can be extremely difficult for disabled handlers. Some people have anxiety disorders that make it nearly impossible

to deal with such conflict. Many have a very limited amount of energy to expend each day, and having to educate a business can make it difficult or impossible

to complete the rest of what that person hoped to accomplish that day.

 

And if disabled handlers are completely denied access, then we have to spend our limited resources and energy filing a complaint with the Department of

Justice. This will also be bad for the business, as they can be fined for denying access to a service dog team.

 

Abuse: How it affects the pet

 

Something that pet owners who dress up their dogs clearly don?t consider is how their actions negatively affect their pet. The reason it takes so long

(18-24 months) to train a service dog is that their job is extremely demanding and stressful. Even programs that breed their own service dog prospects

have high wash-out or career-change rates. So it should come as no surprise that the average pet dog is ill-equipped to deal with the stress of being in

no-pet public areas.

 

Service dogs are specially trained to deal with things like children racing up to them and invading their space, adults randomly reaching for their heads,

shopping carts rattling by inches from their face, and crowds pressing in on them from every direction. These things can stress pet dogs out beyond their

thresh hold.

 

Some pet dogs will shut down in the face of such stress?this is very unpleasant for the dog. But some dogs will be so stressed out that they lash out.

This is not only unpleasant for the dog, but dangerous to the dog, owner, and members of the public. A dog who bites a child because she?s been pushed

beyond what she can handle not only hurts any service dog team following them. That child will likely be hurt, and possibly be traumatized. And the dog

may end up being killed because of that bite. These are serious consequences, and if pet owners actually considered them and cared more about their dogs

than themselves, they would not dress their dogs in vests and drag them into public.

 

Possible solutions

 

While many people believe that increased limitations and regulations on service dogs and disabled people will solve the problem of pets in public, it is

important to realize that we already have laws in place to stop this.

 

Business owners need further education, clearly, on what their own rights are. Many business owners are afraid to confront people with pets in vests because

such people will often go straight to the media and complain about discrimination. Often they will also try internet campaigns to ruin the business.

 

For example, a man last year insisted to employees at a Bonefish Grill that he had the right to have his dog sit on the booth beside him during his meal.

When the employees told him his dog needed to be on the floor?where service dogs belong, when not actively engaged in a task?he blew up. Unfortunately,

this man had a huge internet following which flooded Bonefish?s Facebook page with negative comments and reviews.

 

Juno doing an "under"

That particular story ended well for the business. Service dog teams responded to the man?s followers by posting multitudes of photos of their service

dogs behaving properly at restaurants?lying quietly under the table. Handlers posted messages of support and even made a point of patronizing a Bonefish

franchise near them. But the story shows how even when a person behaves poorly with their dog, they can still try, and sometimes succeed, at smearing the

business owner who only stood up for his or her rights.

 

When business owners stand up for their rights, furthermore, it protects service dog teams. The absolute last thing that we as handlers want to encounter

in a no-pets business is a pet who has no business being there. Countless numbers of service dogs, owner-trained and program-trained, have had to be expensively

rehabbed or even retired because they were attacked by pets dressed as service dogs.

 

Behavior is the only unfakeable and completely reliable way to evaluate a dog on a given day. Adding extra hoops for disabled people to jump through, or

treating us like second-class citizens by forcing us to show proof of our disability anytime we want to go out in public, does nothing to prevent unscrupulous

people from finding ways to bring their pets into public. Certifications and ID cards can be faked. Impeccable behavior can?t be purchased for $50 from

an internet scam site. It can?t be obtained in a day. It takes an incredible amount of time and dedication. People who want to ?take Fluffykins with me

everywhere!? are not the kind of people who will put in two years of training to make sure Fluffykins can handle it.

 

In addition to educating businesses on their rights and getting those rights enforced, another part of the solution is increasing the punishment for both

people who dress their pets as service dogs and the companies that sell useless, problematic certifications and ID cards. It is against the law already

to falsely represent oneself as disabled, or one?s pet as a service dog. But in most states it is a misdemeanor, and punished so infrequently that these

people feel no qualms about openly admitting their lawbreaking to news stations, publications, or even service dog handlers.

 

Falsely representing a pet as a service dog should be a felony, with meaningful punishments. And selling scam IDs and certifications should be plain illegal.

The new FAQ published this summer specifically states that ?there are individuals and organizations that sell service animal certification or registration

documents online. These documents do not convey any rights under the ADA and the Department of Justice does not recognize them as proof that the dog is

a service animal.? It?s important for owner trainers to be able to buy their gear online?most of us don?t have the talent with sewing and/or leather working

to be able to create our gear on our own?but there is no reason anyone needs papers or ID cards.

 

There are ways to combat people who bring pets inappropriately into public without punishing disabled handlers in the process. Adding further regulations,

extra hoops and obstacles, just makes it harder for disabled handlers to get and train the dogs they so desperately need. Unethical people would still

find ways to fake the ID cards or certification papers, if they were implemented, while ethical disabled people would simply be without service dogs?especially

if they wish to owner-train.

 

Behavior in public is what matters. Any dog who behaves inappropriately in public, without being brought under control by the handler, needs to be removed.

This is already part of the law. We just have to enforce it!

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From mike at michaelhingson.com  Tue Nov 24 10:16:07 2015
From: mike at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:16:07 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] FYI FW: Letter from Kimberly Walton, Assistant Administrator,
	Civil Rights & Liberties, Ombudsman and Traveler Engagement,
	TSA, DHS
Message-ID: <010a01d126e4$30bebaa0$923c2fe0$@michaelhingson.com>

Hi,

In addition to the attachment referred to in the following letter I have
pasted the text of the letter at the end of this email. 


Best Regards,


Michael Hingson

-----Original Message-----
From: Buckland, Susan [mailto:Susan.Buckland at tsa.dhs.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 9:55 AM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: Letter from Kimberly Walton, Assistant Administrator, Civil Rights
& Liberties, Ombudsman and Traveler Engagement, TSA, DHS



Please see the attached Section 508-compliant PDF letter from Kimberly
Walton, Assistant Administrator for Civil Rights & Liberties, Ombudsman and
Traveler Engagement, Transportation Security Administration, Department of
Homeland Security.

The letter is to inform you about TSA's programs available for individuals
with disabilities or medical conditions to enhance smooth travels during the
holiday season.

We are very grateful for your time and consideration.  If you have any
questions, please to not hesitate to contact me at
Susan.Buckland at tsa.dhs.gov<mailto:Susan.Buckland at tsa.dhs.gov>.


Susan Buckland
Senior Policy Advisor
Management and Program Analyst
TSA POC and Liaison
Disability and Medical Condition Coalition, Outreach and Engagement
Disability Branch Office of Civil Rights and Liberties, Ombudsmen and
Traveler Engagement Transportation Security Administration Department of
Homeland Security
Susan.buckland at tsa.dhs.gov<mailto:Susan.buckland at tsa.dhs.gov>

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AA Walton Open Letter to DMD Coalition 11 23 15_508.pdf
Office ofCivil Rights & liberties, Ombudsman and Traveler Engagement U.S.
Department of Homeland Security 601 South 12th Street Arlington, VA 20598 
Seal and Signature of the Transporation Security Administration
NOV 2 3 2015 
Dear Coalition Members: 
On behalf ofthe Transportation Security Administration (TSA), I want to take
a moment to share some important tips to help you better prepare for
security
screening at our Nation's airport screening checkpoints. In light of
Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General covert testing
of TSA
security checkpoint operations announced in the media earlier this year, and
given TSA's continuing mission to protect the Nation's transportation
systems,
you will likely see slightly longer lines resulting from modified screening
procedures. 
For these reasons, I encourage you to arrive at least two hours early for
domestic and three hours early for international flights, to give yourself
plenty
of time to get through security screening. For general information about
what to expect during security screening, you may contact the TSA Contact
Center
at (866) 289-9673 or email at TSA-ContactCenter at tsa.dhs.gov. The TSA Contact
Center has representatives available on weekdays from 8 a.m. to 11 p.m. ET
and on weekends/holidays from 9 a.m. to 8 p.m. ET. Automated information is
available in 12 languages. Travelers who are deaf or hard ofhearing may use
a relay service to contact the TSA Contact Center (Federal Relay 711). 
TSA also offers the TSA Cares helpline. I encourage anyone who may need
additional assistance during the security screening process, travelers with
disabilities
or medical conditions, and travelers who have concerns about the screening
process to contact TSA Cares at least 72 hours before travel. TSA Cares
agents
have received training to provide callers with specific information about
the specialized screening needs in a variety of circumstances. In addition,
you
may provide a TSA Cares agent with your flight itinerary, and they will
coordinate assistance to be specifically available for you with a Passenger
Support
Specialist (PSS) and/or customer service manager at the airport. Even if you
do not provide your itinerary beforehand, you may ask for a PSS or
supervisor
at the checkpoint. 
The PSS program was created to assist travelers at the checkpoint, and
Passenger Support Specialists receive specialized training, including how to
assist
and communicate with individuals with disabilities as well as best practices
on interactions with travelers from various cultures and communities. While
TSA recommends contacting TSA Cares to set up PSS assistance in advance, our
goal is to have a PSS in the vicinity of every checkpoint to provide
assistance
as needed and resolve traveler-related screening concerns on the ground, as
quickly as possible. 
Any traveler who needs assistance or is concerned about his or her screening
may ask for a Supervisory Transportation Security Officer or a PSS at any
time. 
Travelers or their companions may call TSA Cares toll free at (855)
787-2227. The hours of operation for the TSA Cares helpline are 8:00 a.m. to
11 :00
p.m. ET from Monday to Friday and 
9:00 
a.m. to 8:00 p.m. ET on weekends/holidays. Travelers who are deaf or hard of
hearing may 
e-mail TSA-ContactCenter at tsa.dhs.gov or may use a relay service to contact
TSA Cares 
(Federal Relay 711) 
You may also download a Notification Card from
www.tsa.gov/travel/special-procedures, 
which allows you to discreetly notify the Transportation Security Officer of
your disability, 
medical condition, or other circumstance that requires assistance. This
card, however, does not 
exempt you from screening. 
TSA works hard every day to ensure that you and your loved ones arrive at
your destinations safely. I assure you that TSA remains committed to
ensuring
that all travelers are treated with respect and courtesy, and we emphasize
that screening must be conducted without regard to a person's race, color,
national
origin, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity in
order to ensure your safety. 
Sincerely, 
Signature of Kimberly A. Walton, Assistant Administrator
K mberly A. alton Assistant Administrator Office of Civil Rights and
Liberties, Ombudsman, and Traveler Engagement

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From judotina48kg at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 08:53:44 2015
From: judotina48kg at gmail.com (Tina Thomas)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 08:53:44 -0800
Subject: [Cagdu] Happy Thanksgiving!
Message-ID: <171301d1286b$03ecd740$0bc685c0$@gmail.com>

To the cagdu community- I would like to wish all two and four footers a very
happy Thanksgiving. Enjoy the day with family, friends, food, drink and
football! Oh and Dixie and Karly say to all of their fury friends ask your
moms and dads to share some turkey! 

With love and blessings, 

Tina, Karly and Dixie      

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