From shannonldillon at hotmail.com Sun May 13 15:44:08 2012 From: shannonldillon at hotmail.com (Shannon L. Dillon) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 15:44:08 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU Meeting at 6:30 Message-ID: Hi CAGDU. This is a reminder that there is a meeting tonight at 6:30. Call-in number is 712-432-0175. Passcode is 184220#. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20120513/e64948d2/attachment.html From rstigile at sbcglobal.net Sun May 13 18:05:04 2012 From: rstigile at sbcglobal.net (robert stigile) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 18:05:04 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU Meeting at 6:30 Message-ID: <169270.37437.qm@smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello CAGDU Community, Although I was looking forward to this evening's meeting, I will not be able to make it. It seems as if I came down with something today, either a cold or the flue. I hope you have a great meeting! Robert Stigile E-mail: rstigile at sbcglobal.net Skype: robertstigile1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannon L. Dillon" Subject: [Seeingeye-l] Found the TSA manual on line. Sensitivity: Personal Found the tsa manual on line and now looking for phone number to call for complaints. Will post soon. Here is the link if you want to research for numbers and i9nfo on how to deal with situations, and the methods and procedures to be followed both by you and agents: http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov From tinadt at sbcglobal.net Mon May 21 15:14:00 2012 From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (Tina Thomas) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:14:00 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] FW: [Seeingeye-l] Pit bull attacks guide dog in Royal Oak, Michigan Message-ID: <043201cd379f$1f72d700$5e588500$@net> Subject: [Seeingeye-l] Pit bull attacks guide dog in Royal Oak, Michigan Pit bull attacks guide dog in Royal Oak, Michigan http://www.dailytribune.com/article/20120521/NEWS01/120529933/pit-bull-attac ks-seeing-eye-dog-in-royal-oak By Michael P. McConnell mike.mcconnell at dailytribune.com Posted: 05/21/12 02:32 pm ROYAL OAK -A pit bull broke loose from a 10-year girl and attacked a Leader Dog for the Blind that was training with an instructor and a blind client on Main Street. The girl's mother, 41, of Jackson left her daughter with the pit bull on the sidewalk cafe of the Burgrz restaurant, 410 S. Main, shortly before the attack Saturday afternoon, witnesses said. "I heard the girl scream and looked up to see the pit bull scrambling after a seeing eye dog and a blind man who were passing by," said Lana Louys of Wyandotte who was dining at the restaurant's outdoor area. "The pit bull pinned the seeing-eye dog to the ground and had it by the throat." People screamed and about 10 men got involved and somehow pried the pit bull off the 18-month-old golden retriever, Louys said. "One of the men held the dog on his leash while others finally found the girl's mother about five minutes later," she said. Police said Monday that neither of the dogs needed any medical treatment, though there was a small spot of blood on the golden retriever's neck. The city's animal control officer is investigating the case. A spokeswoman at Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester Hills said it will take another week or two before they are able to determine if the incident will have any lasting effect on the golden retriever and possibly end its eligibility as a leader dog. "Sometimes after certain incidents the dog will have a reaction and they won't go into harness again," said Rochelle Nissen, a spokeswoman. "The dog was checked out by our veterinarians after the incident and is in good health. It didn't have any puncture wounds and the blood on the dog's neck might have come from the other dog's gums." The golden retriever had already completed four months of training and was in its final fifth month when leader dogs typically work with deaf or blind clients, Nissen said. After the dog's owner was located and brought to the scene witness said she started slapping the pit bull, saying "bad dog." Several people called police. Royal Oak Police Chief Corrigan O'Donohue said the animal control officer will decide whether the pit bull's owner will be ticketed. The owner was allowed to take the dog with her and advised to quarantine the animal for 10 days. "What it comes down to is that it is the owner's responsibility to maintain control of their dog," he said. "I don't think it's a good idea to have a child (handling) a big dog like that, especially in a town like Royal Oak where there is a lot of stimulus." The heavily traveled downtown with outdoor cafes, restaurants and shops has been used as a training ground for Leader Dogs for the Blind for years. Instructors teach the dog to handle a range of distractions, from traffic and loud noises to the scents of food at sidewalk cafes. "Royal Oak's downtown is a great working environment for clients and dogs," Nissen said. "We fully anticipate continuing to work there. The community and the businesses are very welcoming for clients, instructors and the dogs." The Daily Tribune and Macomb Daily asked Facebook readers and Twitter followers if pit bull owner's should be required to muzzle their pets in public. These are some of the things they said: "All dogs that are unpredictable and/or known for biting should be muzzled," said Louis Martin Cardamone. "Pit bulls should not be singled out. Also, it is irresponsible to leave any dog of that size and strength under the supervision of a 10-year-old ." "So sad," said Mary Adranga. "I think all aggressive breed dogs should have to be tested for temperament before receiving their license," Stacey M. Washington, a defense lawyer in Ann Arbor, said on Twitter: "I've met some very sweet pit bulls. It's the owners and some breeders who cause the problems." _______________________________________________ Seeingeye-l mailing list To post a message. Seeingeye-l at list.web.net For general information about the list or to modify your subscription visit. http://list.web.net/lists/listinfo/seeingeye-l To unsubscribe, press enter or click on this link. <a href="Mailto:seeingeye-l-request at list.web.net"?Subject=unsubscribe For questions/cncerns/etc please contact one of the list's administrators. seeingeye-l-owner at list.web.net From regenerative at earthlink.net Tue May 22 17:41:57 2012 From: regenerative at earthlink.net (Fred's ol' XP) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 17:41:57 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Flying question: why are the relief areas outside the airports? In-Reply-To: <169270.37437.qm@smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <169270.37437.qm@smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi CaGDUdettes and CaGDUdes, On my last few flights, I had a question pop into my head. Have y'all wondered this? OK, you get a phone call right after your dog finishes wolfing down a meal. You have to be on the next flight to wherever. You show up at the airport, relieve your dog, and tromp into the airport. Your flight leaves a little late, but your dog is well-trained, gets small, and sleeps in an impossibly small space under the seat in-front of you. At your next airport, you have about an hour between flights. No time to relieve your dog outside the security wire, but why do we have to leave the airport to relieve our working dogs? If Homeland Security and the TSA has dozens of dogs working at the airports, that means that they have relief areas inside the airport. So: Why can't our highly-trained guide dogs use the same relief areas as the guide dog drop-outs that are working for the TSA as baggage sniffers? We all come in. We all get screened. Why can't our dogs do their business inside the airport? Fred Chambers VP - Beach Cities Chapter, NFBC From mathekristin at hotmail.com Tue May 22 18:25:22 2012 From: mathekristin at hotmail.com (Kristin Mathe) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:25:22 -0500 Subject: [Cagdu] Flying question: why are the relief areas outside the airports? In-Reply-To: References: <169270.37437.qm@smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: Hi Fred and others: First, you make all good points. Last year the Department of Transportation (I think, though it may have been Homeland Security, I can't find my record of it) had a survey soliciting feedback about service animal relief aries at airports. That survey was supposed to contribute to writing policies on animal relief areas. I don't know what the current status is. (For the record, I made a big deal about the need to have areas within the secure area for relieving.) Anyhow, Washington DC's IAD has an indoor relief area complete with fake grass, picket fence, and sprinkler systems for disinfecting the area after use. I think it could serve as an example for other airports. My dog was a bit hesitant, but he got over the weirdness of it all fast enough. Check it out if you ever have time passing through. Best,Kristin and "Larson"> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 17:41:57 -0700 > To: cagdu at nfbcal.org > From: regenerative at earthlink.net > Subject: [Cagdu] Flying question: why are the relief areas outside the airports? > > > Hi CaGDUdettes and CaGDUdes, > > On my last few flights, I had a question pop into my head. Have > y'all wondered this? > OK, you get a phone call right after your dog finishes wolfing down a > meal. You have to be on the next flight to wherever. You show up at > the airport, relieve your dog, and tromp into the airport. Your > flight leaves a little late, but your dog is well-trained, gets > small, and sleeps in an impossibly small space under the seat in-front of you. > At your next airport, you have about an hour between flights. No > time to relieve your dog outside the security wire, but why do we > have to leave the airport to relieve our working dogs? > If Homeland Security and the TSA has dozens of dogs working at the > airports, that means that they have relief areas inside the > airport. So: Why can't our highly-trained guide dogs use the same > relief areas as the guide dog drop-outs that are working for the TSA > as baggage sniffers? > > We all come in. We all get screened. Why can't our dogs do their > business inside the airport? > > Fred Chambers > VP - Beach Cities Chapter, NFBC > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20120522/5e7b5544/attachment.html From Kenvolonte at comcast.net Tue May 22 19:35:10 2012 From: Kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 19:35:10 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Flying question: why are the relief areas outside the airports? References: <169270.37437.qm@smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5D5ADEB65E68430493FE142D36B19EA3@kenvolonte> Guide dogs just ain't military! Besides, they couldn't charge us to exchange our tickets for a later flight. Maybe the real reason is because nobody's asked if they could relieve their dogs in those areas. I wish we were back in the days when you could buy your ticket in flight. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred's ol' XP" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:41 PM Subject: [Cagdu] Flying question: why are the relief areas outside the airports? > > Hi CaGDUdettes and CaGDUdes, > > On my last few flights, I had a question pop into my head. Have > y'all wondered this? > OK, you get a phone call right after your dog finishes wolfing down a > meal. You have to be on the next flight to wherever. You show up at > the airport, relieve your dog, and tromp into the airport. Your > flight leaves a little late, but your dog is well-trained, gets > small, and sleeps in an impossibly small space under the seat in-front of > you. > At your next airport, you have about an hour between flights. No > time to relieve your dog outside the security wire, but why do we > have to leave the airport to relieve our working dogs? > If Homeland Security and the TSA has dozens of dogs working at the > airports, that means that they have relief areas inside the > airport. So: Why can't our highly-trained guide dogs use the same > relief areas as the guide dog drop-outs that are working for the TSA > as baggage sniffers? > > We all come in. We all get screened. Why can't our dogs do their > business inside the airport? > > Fred Chambers > VP - Beach Cities Chapter, NFBC > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu From regenerative at earthlink.net Wed May 23 10:27:34 2012 From: regenerative at earthlink.net (Fred's ol' XP) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 10:27:34 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Flying question: why are the relief areas outside the airports? In-Reply-To: References: <169270.37437.qm@smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good to hear that some airports do have secure relieving areas open to the public. Thanks Kristin. All big airports have TSA sniffer dogs, so must have relief areas for them. It seems simple to let dog guides use the same relief areas. Do we want "separate but equal" relief areas? Fred From Kenvolonte at comcast.net Wed May 30 03:45:16 2012 From: Kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 03:45:16 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] on service dogs Message-ID: <963B9BD3746F47468561EE1D6420F8EE@kenvolonte> Yesterday, Velvet and I flew in from John Wayne Airport Orange County. On our plain were two service dogs: a Doxhound in a crate, and a poodle who was just tucked up in a lady's sweater. Before we left, there was some talk about these dogs. The documentation wasn't right on one of them, but it was soon squared away and we were off. One of the dogs, It must have been the Poodle, was seated about nine rows behind me. I know this because from time to time, the flight attendants would go back and talk to the owners and interact with the dog. The first unusual sound was an open mouthed cat squall with no result. Over the next hour, We were treated to flight attendants imitating a mountain lion, some swallowed growl I couldn't identify. I even heard one of the more frustrated ladies doing a lam in an effort, I suppose to get the dog to chase her down and kill her. They were trying to push the limits, to provoke a perfectly quiet and unobtrusive dog to a display of temper or outrage at being yowled and snarled at. Nothing worked. The dog or dogs were perfect travelers just like our guides. They have a job to do. I think one dog alerted for seizures and one was a signal dog. Truth to tell, the airline staff were much more annoying than the dogs. It was like watching Wild kingdom live. If a service dog has been trained to alarm or to do a specific task to make a person's life easier, folks should just leave them alone. Maybe this is just a matter of getting used to the fact that there are more kinds of service dogs than just guide dogs in harness. They all deserve our respect. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20120530/244a69d1/attachment.html From chapalacheryl at gmail.com Wed May 30 06:56:35 2012 From: chapalacheryl at gmail.com (Cheryl Osborn) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 08:56:35 -0500 Subject: [Cagdu] on service dogs In-Reply-To: <963B9BD3746F47468561EE1D6420F8EE@kenvolonte> References: <963B9BD3746F47468561EE1D6420F8EE@kenvolonte> Message-ID: I wonder why the flight attendants didn't just ask what tasks these dogs performed for the owners. I'm always amazed at how little training service providers get. Cheryl From manongrassyknoll at gmail.com Wed May 30 09:04:58 2012 From: manongrassyknoll at gmail.com (luis g) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 09:04:58 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] on service dogs In-Reply-To: References: <963B9BD3746F47468561EE1D6420F8EE@kenvolonte> Message-ID: Um slightly entertaining story, but, isn't that seriously a federal offense to disrupt a service animal from it's intended duty? On 5/30/12, Cheryl Osborn wrote: > I wonder why the flight attendants didn't just ask what tasks these > dogs performed for the owners. I'm always amazed at how little > training service providers get. > > Cheryl > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > From tinadt at sbcglobal.net Wed May 30 09:56:17 2012 From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (Tina Thomas) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 09:56:17 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] on service dogs In-Reply-To: References: <963B9BD3746F47468561EE1D6420F8EE@kenvolonte> Message-ID: <009001cd3e85$2e6d9b40$8b48d1c0$@net> Um yeah. I would be filing a complaint with the airlines against those flight attendants. Our dogs are not with us to provide entertainment for the ignorant public. Besides that, to try a provoke and or hype up a service animal especially on an airplane is disgusting behavior. Tina -----Original Message----- From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf Of luis g Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:05 AM To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Subject: Re: [Cagdu] on service dogs Um slightly entertaining story, but, isn't that seriously a federal offense to disrupt a service animal from it's intended duty? On 5/30/12, Cheryl Osborn wrote: > I wonder why the flight attendants didn't just ask what tasks these > dogs performed for the owners. I'm always amazed at how little > training service providers get. > > Cheryl > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu From chapalacheryl at gmail.com Wed May 30 11:09:07 2012 From: chapalacheryl at gmail.com (Cheryl Osborn) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 13:09:07 -0500 Subject: [Cagdu] on service dogs In-Reply-To: <009001cd3e85$2e6d9b40$8b48d1c0$@net> References: <963B9BD3746F47468561EE1D6420F8EE@kenvolonte> <009001cd3e85$2e6d9b40$8b48d1c0$@net> Message-ID: Actually, I wonder if the flight attendants were breaking the law, as far as distracting a service animal from performing it's duties. Cheryl On 5/30/12, Tina Thomas wrote: > Um yeah. I would be filing a complaint with the airlines against those > flight attendants. Our dogs are not with us to provide entertainment for > the ignorant public. Besides that, to try a provoke and or hype up a > service > animal especially on an airplane is disgusting behavior. > Tina > > -----Original Message----- > From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf > Of luis g > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:05 AM > To: cagdu at nfbcal.org > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] on service dogs > > Um slightly entertaining story, but, isn't that seriously a federal offense > to disrupt a service animal from it's intended duty? > > > > On 5/30/12, Cheryl Osborn wrote: >> I wonder why the flight attendants didn't just ask what tasks these >> dogs performed for the owners. I'm always amazed at how little >> training service providers get. >> >> Cheryl >> _______________________________________________ >> Cagdu mailing list >> Cagdu at nfbcal.org >> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >> > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > From chapalacheryl at gmail.com Wed May 30 11:14:54 2012 From: chapalacheryl at gmail.com (Cheryl Osborn) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 13:14:54 -0500 Subject: [Cagdu] on service dogs In-Reply-To: References: <963B9BD3746F47468561EE1D6420F8EE@kenvolonte> Message-ID: Sorry luis, didn't see your post. Cheryl On 5/30/12, luis g wrote: > Um slightly entertaining story, but, isn't that seriously a federal > offense to disrupt a service animal from it's intended duty? > > > > On 5/30/12, Cheryl Osborn wrote: >> I wonder why the flight attendants didn't just ask what tasks these >> dogs performed for the owners. I'm always amazed at how little >> training service providers get. >> >> Cheryl >> _______________________________________________ >> Cagdu mailing list >> Cagdu at nfbcal.org >> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >> > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > From info at michaelhingson.com Wed May 30 11:04:57 2012 From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:04:57 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] on service dogs In-Reply-To: <009001cd3e85$2e6d9b40$8b48d1c0$@net> References: <963B9BD3746F47468561EE1D6420F8EE@kenvolonte> <009001cd3e85$2e6d9b40$8b48d1c0$@net> Message-ID: <021001cd3e8e$b98f0b10$2cad2130$@com> I would be interested to know if the dogs were in carriers during the flight. If not, the flight attendents ignored airline regulations as well. -----Original Message----- From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 09:56 AM To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Subject: Re: [Cagdu] on service dogs Um yeah. I would be filing a complaint with the airlines against those flight attendants. Our dogs are not with us to provide entertainment for the ignorant public. Besides that, to try a provoke and or hype up a service animal especially on an airplane is disgusting behavior. Tina -----Original Message----- From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf Of luis g Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:05 AM To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Subject: Re: [Cagdu] on service dogs Um slightly entertaining story, but, isn't that seriously a federal offense to disrupt a service animal from it's intended duty? On 5/30/12, Cheryl Osborn wrote: > I wonder why the flight attendants didn't just ask what tasks these > dogs performed for the owners. I'm always amazed at how little > training service providers get. > > Cheryl > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu