From pmansell at dslextreme.com  Sun Sep 13 10:33:32 2009
From: pmansell at dslextreme.com (peteer mansell)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:33:32 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] Meeting today
Message-ID: <4A3D6A1CD2B042F78EE4E1B97A3BE88E@D7QT1JD1>

To all handlers:

This is a friendly reminder of our meeting today.
time: 6:30 pm
number 1616-347-8400
pin 184220
Please join us, if you don't  you will receive a high collar!

Peter and Aerie 
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20090913/4669b670/attachment.html 

From Antonette_Sorrick at dca.ca.gov  Sun Sep 13 16:01:54 2009
From: Antonette_Sorrick at dca.ca.gov (Antonette_Sorrick at dca.ca.gov)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:01:54 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] Antonette Sorrick/EXEC/DCANotes is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF9F9F3804.687B8449-ON88257630.007E8487-88257630.007E8486@dca.ca.gov>





I will be out of the office starting  09/11/2009 and will not return until
09/15/2009.

The office is closed due to the Governor imposed furloughs.  The office
will re-open Tuesday, September 15.



From kenvolonte at comcast.net  Mon Sep 14 09:41:06 2009
From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:41:06 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] meeting
Message-ID: <9C34A5F6A5364D27A871E84106748F3E@ken5f734aa928e>

Hi all.  Sorry I had to slip out of the meeting last night.  Velvet had oral 
surgery on Friday, and I am having to multitask.  We will be bringing a 
bottle of wine for a nice door prize.

    I never knew that molars had three roots.  Did you know that?  They had 
to extract Velvet's tooth in sections.  She hasn't moved much all week end. 
Bye for now.  Ken 



From julietcody at cox.net  Mon Sep 14 10:41:20 2009
From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:41:20 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] meeting
References: <9C34A5F6A5364D27A871E84106748F3E@ken5f734aa928e>
Message-ID: <142336DAD28646D09A66C2C4BBDE720A@user1b3ecca35d>

I hope she gets better. Thanks for bringing the wine.
Juliet and Marly
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Volonte" <kenvolonte at comcast.net>
To: "Cagdu" <cagdu at nfbcal.org>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:41 AM
Subject: [Cagdu] meeting


> Hi all.  Sorry I had to slip out of the meeting last night.  Velvet had 
> oral
> surgery on Friday, and I am having to multitask.  We will be bringing a
> bottle of wine for a nice door prize.
>
>    I never knew that molars had three roots.  Did you know that?  They had
> to extract Velvet's tooth in sections.  She hasn't moved much all week 
> end.
> Bye for now.  Ken
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>
> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus 
> signature database 4425 (20090914) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
> 



From Antonette_Sorrick at dca.ca.gov  Mon Sep 14 16:02:42 2009
From: Antonette_Sorrick at dca.ca.gov (Antonette_Sorrick at dca.ca.gov)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:02:42 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] Antonette Sorrick/EXEC/DCANotes is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF90D3F46E.06A63302-ON88257631.007E976C-88257631.007E976B@dca.ca.gov>





I will be out of the office starting  09/14/2009 and will not return until
09/15/2009.

The office is closed due to the Governor imposed furloughs.  The office
will re-open Tuesday, September 15.



From rstigile at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 17 11:52:54 2009
From: rstigile at sbcglobal.net (Robert Stigile)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:52:54 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] Dues
Message-ID: <200909171918.n8HJIO3a013601@lothlorien.nfbcal.org>

Hello All,
As you know, convention is not too far away, which means that it is time to think 
about your dues.
It will help me, if you send me an e-mail, with your name address home and cell 
phone number, and e-mail address.
I will then check your name off when you give me your dues at convention, which 
will make things go faster.
If you are not planning to attend convention, but you want to pay your dues, 
please send me an e-mail, with the same information, but let me know you can not 
make convention and we can then discuss the options for paying dues.
Thank you,




Robert Stigile, Treasurer
CAGDU



From tinadt at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 17 16:03:53 2009
From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (tina thomas )
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:03:53 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] Dues
In-Reply-To: <200909171918.n8HJIO3a013601@lothlorien.nfbcal.org>
Message-ID: <602817.67449.bm@omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Robert- You have my contact information. Great  idea. 
Tina   


"Trust your own instinct. Your mistakes might as well be your own instead of
someone else's."
- Billy Wilder

 
-----Original Message-----
From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Stigile
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:53 AM
To: Juliet Cody
Subject: [Cagdu] Dues

Hello All,
As you know, convention is not too far away, which means that it is time to
think about your dues.
It will help me, if you send me an e-mail, with your name address home and
cell phone number, and e-mail address.
I will then check your name off when you give me your dues at convention,
which will make things go faster.
If you are not planning to attend convention, but you want to pay your dues,
please send me an e-mail, with the same information, but let me know you can
not make convention and we can then discuss the options for paying dues.
Thank you,




Robert Stigile, Treasurer
CAGDU

_______________________________________________
Cagdu mailing list
Cagdu at nfbcal.org
https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.101/2376 - Release Date: 09/17/09
06:18:00




From oberholzerr at msn.com  Fri Sep 18 12:35:12 2009
From: oberholzerr at msn.com (Roger Oberholzer)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:35:12 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] Dues
In-Reply-To: <200909171918.n8HJIO3a013601@lothlorien.nfbcal.org>
References: <200909171918.n8HJIO3a013601@lothlorien.nfbcal.org>
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS194B4DE0511013E286DB8EABE00@phx.gbl>

Hi Robert:

My address is as follows:

Roger Oberholzer
401 Cornell Avenue
Apt. 9
Albany, CA 94706
Home: (510) 524-6016
Cell: (760) 505-1419

Let me know, when you need the dues. Thank you Robert for staying on top of
everything.

Regards,

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Stigile
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:53 AM
To: Juliet Cody
Subject: [Cagdu] Dues

Hello All,
As you know, convention is not too far away, which means that it is time to
think 
about your dues.
It will help me, if you send me an e-mail, with your name address home and
cell 
phone number, and e-mail address.
I will then check your name off when you give me your dues at convention,
which 
will make things go faster.
If you are not planning to attend convention, but you want to pay your dues,

please send me an e-mail, with the same information, but let me know you can
not 
make convention and we can then discuss the options for paying dues.
Thank you,




Robert Stigile, Treasurer
CAGDU

_______________________________________________
Cagdu mailing list
Cagdu at nfbcal.org
https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu



From tinadt at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep 18 12:41:47 2009
From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (tina thomas )
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:41:47 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] Dues
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-DS194B4DE0511013E286DB8EABE00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <83274.99534.qm@smtp105.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

 
Hello Roger and all- Dues are due at the CAGDU meeting. 
Thanks. 
Tina 

"Trust your own instinct. Your mistakes might as well be your own instead of
someone else's."
- Billy Wilder

 
-----Original Message-----
From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
Of Roger Oberholzer
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:35 PM
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] Dues

Hi Robert:

My address is as follows:

Roger Oberholzer
401 Cornell Avenue
Apt. 9
Albany, CA 94706
Home: (510) 524-6016
Cell: (760) 505-1419

Let me know, when you need the dues. Thank you Robert for staying on top of
everything.

Regards,

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Stigile
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:53 AM
To: Juliet Cody
Subject: [Cagdu] Dues

Hello All,
As you know, convention is not too far away, which means that it is time to
think about your dues.
It will help me, if you send me an e-mail, with your name address home and
cell phone number, and e-mail address.
I will then check your name off when you give me your dues at convention,
which will make things go faster.
If you are not planning to attend convention, but you want to pay your dues,

please send me an e-mail, with the same information, but let me know you can
not make convention and we can then discuss the options for paying dues.
Thank you,




Robert Stigile, Treasurer
CAGDU

_______________________________________________
Cagdu mailing list
Cagdu at nfbcal.org
https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu

_______________________________________________
Cagdu mailing list
Cagdu at nfbcal.org
https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.104/2379 - Release Date: 09/18/09
07:49:00




From tinadt at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep 18 15:15:33 2009
From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (tina thomas )
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:15:33 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] FW: Article: As Charity Cash Swells, Blind Await Guide Dogs
Message-ID: <981769.90113.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Subject: Article: As Charity Cash Swells, Blind Await Guide Dogs


  


As charity's cash swells, blind await guide dogs
by Robert Anglen - Sept. 18, 2009 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic
A charity that raises and trains guide dogs for the blind has been 
collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations and investment 
income but has not placed a dog in more than two years.
The California-based Eye Dog Foundation for the Blind, which has its 
training facility in Phoenix, has placed no more than 30 guide dogs since 
2000, an average of about three a year.
Some blind people say the foundation has reneged on promises of providing a 
dog on a timely basis, so they go without a vital companion and link to the 
outside world.
The Eye Dog Foundation is not lacking in resources. In 2007, the most recent

year for which tax records are available, it reported $7 million in assets 
and $716,000 in expenses. It spent more than $156,000 in salaries and 
benefits and $215,000 in legal fees.
The foundation is one of only two facilities in the country that exclusively

train German shepherds, considered prized guide dogs but sometimes difficult

to train.
In the past two years, the foundation has gone through three professional 
dog trainers who walked off the job, and it repeatedly padlocked its 
training facility and kennel, once for more than three months.
In 2008, volunteers who raise puppies in their homes until they are old 
enough for training began refusing to return dogs to the foundation. They 
cited the training interruptions and alleged the dogs weren't properly fed 
or cared for.
The foundation sued 24 puppy raisers, saying they had stolen the 
foundation's assets (the dogs) and violated their contracts.
The foundation's president, Gwen Brown, refused to comment. In a court 
hearing, she denied that dogs were neglected and maintained that past 
problems have been resolved. Her lawyer said a new trainer has been hired 
and dogs again are being trained.
"There are well-meaning people on both sides of the issue," said attorney 
Glenn Hotchkiss of Phoenix, adding that a lack of trust exists among all 
parties. "There are a certain number of puppy raisers who won't believe 
anything that comes out of my mouth or out of Gwen Brown's mouth."
Hotchkiss said there were "problems in the past," including an internal 
dispute that led a California court to take over operations in 2007. 
Hotchkiss said that no longer is an issue.
"Since last September, things have been going well," he said.
Meanwhile, some members of the blind community say they are in dire need of 
a guide dog.
"I can't put into words what this has done to me," said Janis Limon of Mesa,

who has been waiting for another dog from the foundation since 2007, when 
her previous dog died. "My life has literally been taken from me. I live 
alone. I'm blind. My dog went everywhere I went. I used to walk 6, 7 miles a

day. Not anymore."
Important mission
The foundation started as a non-profit in California in 1952 and for decades

was presided over by a Beverly Hills attorney, Lequita McKay.
In 1988, after disputes with the state over licensing, the foundation bought

land and opened a training facility in Phoenix, where no licenses and 
certifications were required.
The foundation's purpose is to provide German shepherds to the blind free of

charge. The dogs are raised for the first year in the homes of contracted 
puppy raisers.
More than 7,000 blind people in the United States rely on guide dogs. While 
about 20 schools across the country train guide dogs, two train only German 
shepherds. The rest primarily use Labrador retrievers.
For nearly two decades, the foundation placed five to 10 dogs a year with 
blind handlers through the Phoenix facility on 15th Avenue near Baseline 
Road.
But placements came to a halt in 2007, after infighting among six board 
members led to a stalemate over who should run the foundation. One faction 
sued the other, and the foundation went into court-ordered receivership.
Brown was voted in as the foundation's executive director. Her management 
was called into question by some board members.
McKay's death in 2007 effectively broke a board stalemate, giving Brown a 
majority in the dispute. She moved the headquarters to her home in 
Claremont, Calif.
The court decided it no longer had jurisdiction over the foundation and 
recalled it from receivership.
No dogs placed
The foundation since has been mired in controversy, culminating in the 
lawsuits against the puppy raisers.
In March, 17 of the 24 puppy raisers returned the dogs as part of a deal 
with the foundation, which dismissed the suits and agreed to assess and 
place the dogs within six months.
Seven of the dogs since have been returned to the puppy raisers as unfit for

guide-dog duty, and 10 remain at the facility.
Still, no member of the blind community is working with dogs at the training

facility or has signed up to reside at the facility's dorms in the past six 
months, the foundation's lawyer said. A handler is required to live for two 
to four weeks there to establish a relationship with a dog before taking it 
home.
The puppy raisers say the failure to begin placing dogs is proof that the 
foundation is not making a good-faith effort. They question whether the 
current trainer has enough experience to work effectively with guide dogs.
The seven puppy raisers who still are being sued by Brown want a guarantee 
the dogs will be used to help the blind.
"There is nothing that (Brown) has done to relieve our concerns," said 
Paradise Valley resident Anna Thomasson, one of the seven. She has raised 
three dogs for the foundation in the past five years. "We don't believe they

have hired a qualified trainer." Hotchkiss, who represents Brown only in the

suit against the puppy raisers, said Brown is working in the best interests 
of the foundation and wants to avoid conflict.
"I fully understand (puppy raiser) concerns," he said. But he believes those

concerns are focused on the past. "Puppy raisers won't concede what is 
happening now."
Complaints abound
The puppy raisers' concerns are echoed in complaints from the blind 
community, past donors, former employees and the court-appointed receiver 
who once managed the foundation's finances. In interviews, letters to 
regulatory agencies and published accounts, they questioned the foundation's

management.
Joseph Etienne, appointed by the court to take over the foundation's 
operation two years ago, was critical of the way the foundation is run.
"Dogs are not being used for what they are trained for," Etienne said. 
"People's donations are not going for what they intended. Money is being 
used to litigate instead of furthering the training of seeing-eye dogs."
He said his analysis of the foundation and its finances from January to 
September 2007 found that it had nearly $8 million in assets and could place

a dozen dogs per year without receiving another donation, using only the 
interest it receives from investments.
During the months Etienne was trustee, he said, the foundation placed two 
dogs. He said it placed about three dogs over the two years before his 
involvement and has placed none since.
In contrast to the Eye Dog Foundation, the other school that trains German 
shepherds exclusively, Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation in Connecticut, reports 
that it places as many as 75 dogs per year.
Consumer-complaint letters about the Eye Dog Foundation have been sent to 
regulatory and law-enforcement agencies in California and Arizona.
Investigators with the California Attorney General's Office will neither 
confirm nor deny an investigation into the Eye Dog Foundation. Etienne said 
in May that investigators interviewed him.
In December 2008, the National Federation for the Blind published a scathing

article in the Braille Monitor magazine that concluded that the foundation's

practices should raise concerns. Tax records show that donations to the 
foundation have declined from $894,217 in 2004 to $139,899 in 2007. The 
foundation's single biggest expense in 2007 was legal fees, which totaled 
$215,296. It paid Brown $43,000 in salary.
The foundation reported on its federal tax form in April 2008 that it had 
purchased and bred 23 dogs for training and that "class schedules have been 
established and dogs are finishing training for release in later 2008."
Limon said she was promised a dog in 2007 and still is waiting. She said she

considered applying for a German shepherd at Fidelco, but there is a 
two-year waiting list and she didn't want to start the clock over again.
"I keep hoping it will all be worked out," Limon sai 



__._,_.___
Messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/message/20474;_ylc=X3oDMTM2aDQ5M2Vx
BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BG1zZ0lkAzIwNDc0
BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQR0cGNJZAMyMDQ3NA--> in this
topic (1)
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxaTkybXRuBF9TAzk3M
zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BG1zZ0lkAzIwNDc0BHNlYwNmd
HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ--?act=reply&messageNum=20474> Reply
(via web post) | Start
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbWVwNHVpBF9TAzk3M
zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc
3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ--> a new topic 
Messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMTZhMzRrBF9TA
zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21zZ
3MEc3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ-->  | Files
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZXI2NDlyBF9TAzk3
MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2ZpbGVz
BHN0aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk->  | Photos
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNnI3cXEzBF9TAzk
3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Bob3Q
Ec3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ-->  | Links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZWt2YTBrBF9TAzk3
MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2xpbmtz
BHN0aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk->  | Database
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJjajFmdmxwBF9TA
zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2RiB
HN0aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk->  | Polls
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbWEwNTF1BF9TAzk3
MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3BvbGxz
BHN0aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk->  | Members
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZDBtZHNxBF9TAz
k3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21icn
MEc3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ-->  | Calendar
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMWszdnVjBF9TA
zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2Nhb
ARzdGltZQMxMjUzMjk1NTA5>  
 
<http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYjhrbzZuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4O
TcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMjUzMjk1NTA5>
Yahoo! Groups 
Change
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbTl1MGlwBF9TAzk3M
zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3N0bmdzB
HN0aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk-> settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) 
Change settings via email: Switch
<mailto:gsdguides-digest at yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest>
delivery to Daily Digest | Switch
<mailto:gsdguides-traditional at yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery
Format: Traditional> format to Traditional 
Visit
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides;_ylc=X3oDMTJkazg4dHNyBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz
E0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2hwZgRzdGltZQ
MxMjUzMjk1NTA5> Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> of Use | Unsubscribe
<mailto:gsdguides-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com?subject=> 
Recent Activity

Visit
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMTAxdnNiBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz
E0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbW
UDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ--> Your Group 
Give Back

Yahoo!
<http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJtdDQzaXRyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSW
QDMzg5NzIxNARncnBzcElkAzE3MDcyOTQ5OTQEc2VjA25jbW9kBHNsawNicmFuZARzdGltZQMxMj
UzMjk1NTA5;_ylg=1/SIG=11314uv3k/**http%3A//brand.yahoo.com/forgood> for Good

Get inspired

by a good cause.

Y! Toolbar

Get
<http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJvYTdxanRoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzIEZ3JwSW
QDMzg5NzIxNARncnBzcElkAzE3MDcyOTQ5OTQEc2VjA25jbW9kBHNsawN0b29sYmFyBHN0aW1lAz
EyNTMyOTU1MDk-;_ylg=1/SIG=11c6dvmk9/**http%3A//toolbar.yahoo.com/%3F.cpdl=yg
rps> it Free!

easy 1-click access

to your groups.

Yahoo! Groups

Start
<http://groups.yahoo.com/start;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaDViNDJsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzME
Z3JwSWQDMzg5NzIxNARncnBzcElkAzE3MDcyOTQ5OTQEc2VjA25jbW9kBHNsawNncm91cHMyBHN0
aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk-> a group

in 3 easy steps.

Connect with others.

..
 
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=3897214/grpspId=1707294994/msgId
=20474/stime=1253295509/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3> 

__,_._,___

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.104/2379 - Release Date: 09/18/09
07:49:00


-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20090918/7c235513/attachment.html 

From kenvolonte at comcast.net  Sat Sep 19 09:32:34 2009
From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:32:34 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] FW: Article: As Charity Cash Swells,
	Blind Await Guide Dogs
References: <981769.90113.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D1D514D1A5FF4851BFDF51F9C225C053@ken5f734aa928e>

Where is the California Guide dog Board?  After all, they are supposed to guard against illegitimate schools from doing business in this state.  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tina thomas 
  To: cagdu at nfbcal.org 
  Cc: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users' 
  Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 3:15 PM
  Subject: [Cagdu] FW: Article: As Charity Cash Swells, Blind Await Guide Dogs


  Subject: Article: As Charity Cash Swells, Blind Await Guide Dogs


    
  As charity's cash swells, blind await guide dogs
  by Robert Anglen - Sept. 18, 2009 12:00 AM
  The Arizona Republic
  A charity that raises and trains guide dogs for the blind has been 
  collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations and investment 
  income but has not placed a dog in more than two years.
  The California-based Eye Dog Foundation for the Blind, which has its 
  training facility in Phoenix, has placed no more than 30 guide dogs since 
  2000, an average of about three a year.
  Some blind people say the foundation has reneged on promises of providing a 
  dog on a timely basis, so they go without a vital companion and link to the 
  outside world.
  The Eye Dog Foundation is not lacking in resources. In 2007, the most recent 
  year for which tax records are available, it reported $7 million in assets 
  and $716,000 in expenses. It spent more than $156,000 in salaries and 
  benefits and $215,000 in legal fees.
  The foundation is one of only two facilities in the country that exclusively 
  train German shepherds, considered prized guide dogs but sometimes difficult 
  to train.
  In the past two years, the foundation has gone through three professional 
  dog trainers who walked off the job, and it repeatedly padlocked its 
  training facility and kennel, once for more than three months.
  In 2008, volunteers who raise puppies in their homes until they are old 
  enough for training began refusing to return dogs to the foundation. They 
  cited the training interruptions and alleged the dogs weren't properly fed 
  or cared for.
  The foundation sued 24 puppy raisers, saying they had stolen the 
  foundation's assets (the dogs) and violated their contracts.
  The foundation's president, Gwen Brown, refused to comment. In a court 
  hearing, she denied that dogs were neglected and maintained that past 
  problems have been resolved. Her lawyer said a new trainer has been hired 
  and dogs again are being trained.
  "There are well-meaning people on both sides of the issue," said attorney 
  Glenn Hotchkiss of Phoenix, adding that a lack of trust exists among all 
  parties. "There are a certain number of puppy raisers who won't believe 
  anything that comes out of my mouth or out of Gwen Brown's mouth."
  Hotchkiss said there were "problems in the past," including an internal 
  dispute that led a California court to take over operations in 2007. 
  Hotchkiss said that no longer is an issue.
  "Since last September, things have been going well," he said.
  Meanwhile, some members of the blind community say they are in dire need of 
  a guide dog.
  "I can't put into words what this has done to me," said Janis Limon of Mesa, 
  who has been waiting for another dog from the foundation since 2007, when 
  her previous dog died. "My life has literally been taken from me. I live 
  alone. I'm blind. My dog went everywhere I went. I used to walk 6, 7 miles a 
  day. Not anymore."
  Important mission
  The foundation started as a non-profit in California in 1952 and for decades 
  was presided over by a Beverly Hills attorney, Lequita McKay.
  In 1988, after disputes with the state over licensing, the foundation bought 
  land and opened a training facility in Phoenix, where no licenses and 
  certifications were required.
  The foundation's purpose is to provide German shepherds to the blind free of 
  charge. The dogs are raised for the first year in the homes of contracted 
  puppy raisers.
  More than 7,000 blind people in the United States rely on guide dogs. While 
  about 20 schools across the country train guide dogs, two train only German 
  shepherds. The rest primarily use Labrador retrievers.
  For nearly two decades, the foundation placed five to 10 dogs a year with 
  blind handlers through the Phoenix facility on 15th Avenue near Baseline 
  Road.
  But placements came to a halt in 2007, after infighting among six board 
  members led to a stalemate over who should run the foundation. One faction 
  sued the other, and the foundation went into court-ordered receivership.
  Brown was voted in as the foundation's executive director. Her management 
  was called into question by some board members.
  McKay's death in 2007 effectively broke a board stalemate, giving Brown a 
  majority in the dispute. She moved the headquarters to her home in 
  Claremont, Calif.
  The court decided it no longer had jurisdiction over the foundation and 
  recalled it from receivership.
  No dogs placed
  The foundation since has been mired in controversy, culminating in the 
  lawsuits against the puppy raisers.
  In March, 17 of the 24 puppy raisers returned the dogs as part of a deal 
  with the foundation, which dismissed the suits and agreed to assess and 
  place the dogs within six months.
  Seven of the dogs since have been returned to the puppy raisers as unfit for 
  guide-dog duty, and 10 remain at the facility.
  Still, no member of the blind community is working with dogs at the training 
  facility or has signed up to reside at the facility's dorms in the past six 
  months, the foundation's lawyer said. A handler is required to live for two 
  to four weeks there to establish a relationship with a dog before taking it 
  home.
  The puppy raisers say the failure to begin placing dogs is proof that the 
  foundation is not making a good-faith effort. They question whether the 
  current trainer has enough experience to work effectively with guide dogs.
  The seven puppy raisers who still are being sued by Brown want a guarantee 
  the dogs will be used to help the blind.
  "There is nothing that (Brown) has done to relieve our concerns," said 
  Paradise Valley resident Anna Thomasson, one of the seven. She has raised 
  three dogs for the foundation in the past five years. "We don't believe they 
  have hired a qualified trainer." Hotchkiss, who represents Brown only in the 
  suit against the puppy raisers, said Brown is working in the best interests 
  of the foundation and wants to avoid conflict.
  "I fully understand (puppy raiser) concerns," he said. But he believes those 
  concerns are focused on the past. "Puppy raisers won't concede what is 
  happening now."
  Complaints abound
  The puppy raisers' concerns are echoed in complaints from the blind 
  community, past donors, former employees and the court-appointed receiver 
  who once managed the foundation's finances. In interviews, letters to 
  regulatory agencies and published accounts, they questioned the foundation's 
  management.
  Joseph Etienne, appointed by the court to take over the foundation's 
  operation two years ago, was critical of the way the foundation is run.
  "Dogs are not being used for what they are trained for," Etienne said. 
  "People's donations are not going for what they intended. Money is being 
  used to litigate instead of furthering the training of seeing-eye dogs."
  He said his analysis of the foundation and its finances from January to 
  September 2007 found that it had nearly $8 million in assets and could place 
  a dozen dogs per year without receiving another donation, using only the 
  interest it receives from investments.
  During the months Etienne was trustee, he said, the foundation placed two 
  dogs. He said it placed about three dogs over the two years before his 
  involvement and has placed none since.
  In contrast to the Eye Dog Foundation, the other school that trains German 
  shepherds exclusively, Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation in Connecticut, reports 
  that it places as many as 75 dogs per year.
  Consumer-complaint letters about the Eye Dog Foundation have been sent to 
  regulatory and law-enforcement agencies in California and Arizona.
  Investigators with the California Attorney General's Office will neither 
  confirm nor deny an investigation into the Eye Dog Foundation. Etienne said 
  in May that investigators interviewed him.
  In December 2008, the National Federation for the Blind published a scathing 
  article in the Braille Monitor magazine that concluded that the foundation's 
  practices should raise concerns. Tax records show that donations to the 
  foundation have declined from $894,217 in 2004 to $139,899 in 2007. The 
  foundation's single biggest expense in 2007 was legal fees, which totaled 
  $215,296. It paid Brown $43,000 in salary.
  The foundation reported on its federal tax form in April 2008 that it had 
  purchased and bred 23 dogs for training and that "class schedules have been 
  established and dogs are finishing training for release in later 2008."
  Limon said she was promised a dog in 2007 and still is waiting. She said she 
  considered applying for a German shepherd at Fidelco, but there is a 
  two-year waiting list and she didn't want to start the clock over again.
  "I keep hoping it will all be worked out," Limon sai 



  __._,_.___
  Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic 
  Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar 
   
  Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) 
  Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional 
  Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity
  Visit Your Group 
  Give Back
  Yahoo! for Good

  Get inspired

  by a good cause.

  Y! Toolbar
  Get it Free!

  easy 1-click access

  to your groups.

  Yahoo! Groups
  Start a group

  in 3 easy steps.

  Connect with others.
  . 

  __,_._,___
  No virus found in this incoming message.
  Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
  Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.104/2379 - Release Date: 09/18/09 07:49:00




------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  _______________________________________________
  Cagdu mailing list
  Cagdu at nfbcal.org
  https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20090919/be408c5a/attachment.html 

From kenvolonte at comcast.net  Sat Sep 19 09:39:50 2009
From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:39:50 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] contact information
Message-ID: <75B255CBF5494A0CAA0D70608F16C619@ken5f734aa928e>

Hi Robert.  Here's my contact information for dues.  My address is: 515 W. 
Alpine Ave. Stockton, 95204.  Phone: 209-464-6766. E-mail: 
kenvolonte at comcast.net.   See you at convention.  My intention is to walk 
the bridge, but we'll see. Then we'll know.  Ken 



From tinadt at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep 19 09:57:13 2009
From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (tina thomas )
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:57:13 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] FW: Article: As Charity Cash Swells,
	Blind Await Guide Dogs
In-Reply-To: <D1D514D1A5FF4851BFDF51F9C225C053@ken5f734aa928e>
Message-ID: <509506.85958.qm@smtp104.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Good question Ken. I am in the process of contacting some attorneys to see
what legal steps need to be taken to stop this school from continuing their
illegal practices. 
Tina  
 
 

"Trust your own instinct. Your mistakes might as well be your own instead of
someone else's."
- Billy Wilder

  

 

  _____  

From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
Of Ken Volonte
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:33 AM
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] FW: Article: As Charity Cash Swells,Blind Await Guide
Dogs


Where is the California Guide dog Board?  After all, they are supposed to
guard against illegitimate schools from doing business in this state.  

----- Original Message ----- 
From: tina thomas  <mailto:tinadt at sbcglobal.net> 
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org 
Cc: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> Guide Dog Users' 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 3:15 PM
Subject: [Cagdu] FW: Article: As Charity Cash Swells, Blind Await Guide Dogs

Subject: Article: As Charity Cash Swells, Blind Await Guide Dogs


  


As charity's cash swells, blind await guide dogs
by Robert Anglen - Sept. 18, 2009 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic
A charity that raises and trains guide dogs for the blind has been 
collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations and investment 
income but has not placed a dog in more than two years.
The California-based Eye Dog Foundation for the Blind, which has its 
training facility in Phoenix, has placed no more than 30 guide dogs since 
2000, an average of about three a year.
Some blind people say the foundation has reneged on promises of providing a 
dog on a timely basis, so they go without a vital companion and link to the 
outside world.
The Eye Dog Foundation is not lacking in resources. In 2007, the most recent

year for which tax records are available, it reported $7 million in assets 
and $716,000 in expenses. It spent more than $156,000 in salaries and 
benefits and $215,000 in legal fees.
The foundation is one of only two facilities in the country that exclusively

train German shepherds, considered prized guide dogs but sometimes difficult

to train.
In the past two years, the foundation has gone through three professional 
dog trainers who walked off the job, and it repeatedly padlocked its 
training facility and kennel, once for more than three months.
In 2008, volunteers who raise puppies in their homes until they are old 
enough for training began refusing to return dogs to the foundation. They 
cited the training interruptions and alleged the dogs weren't properly fed 
or cared for.
The foundation sued 24 puppy raisers, saying they had stolen the 
foundation's assets (the dogs) and violated their contracts.
The foundation's president, Gwen Brown, refused to comment. In a court 
hearing, she denied that dogs were neglected and maintained that past 
problems have been resolved. Her lawyer said a new trainer has been hired 
and dogs again are being trained.
"There are well-meaning people on both sides of the issue," said attorney 
Glenn Hotchkiss of Phoenix, adding that a lack of trust exists among all 
parties. "There are a certain number of puppy raisers who won't believe 
anything that comes out of my mouth or out of Gwen Brown's mouth."
Hotchkiss said there were "problems in the past," including an internal 
dispute that led a California court to take over operations in 2007. 
Hotchkiss said that no longer is an issue.
"Since last September, things have been going well," he said.
Meanwhile, some members of the blind community say they are in dire need of 
a guide dog.
"I can't put into words what this has done to me," said Janis Limon of Mesa,

who has been waiting for another dog from the foundation since 2007, when 
her previous dog died. "My life has literally been taken from me. I live 
alone. I'm blind. My dog went everywhere I went. I used to walk 6, 7 miles a

day. Not anymore."
Important mission
The foundation started as a non-profit in California in 1952 and for decades

was presided over by a Beverly Hills attorney, Lequita McKay.
In 1988, after disputes with the state over licensing, the foundation bought

land and opened a training facility in Phoenix, where no licenses and 
certifications were required.
The foundation's purpose is to provide German shepherds to the blind free of

charge. The dogs are raised for the first year in the homes of contracted 
puppy raisers.
More than 7,000 blind people in the United States rely on guide dogs. While 
about 20 schools across the country train guide dogs, two train only German 
shepherds. The rest primarily use Labrador retrievers.
For nearly two decades, the foundation placed five to 10 dogs a year with 
blind handlers through the Phoenix facility on 15th Avenue near Baseline 
Road.
But placements came to a halt in 2007, after infighting among six board 
members led to a stalemate over who should run the foundation. One faction 
sued the other, and the foundation went into court-ordered receivership.
Brown was voted in as the foundation's executive director. Her management 
was called into question by some board members.
McKay's death in 2007 effectively broke a board stalemate, giving Brown a 
majority in the dispute. She moved the headquarters to her home in 
Claremont, Calif.
The court decided it no longer had jurisdiction over the foundation and 
recalled it from receivership.
No dogs placed
The foundation since has been mired in controversy, culminating in the 
lawsuits against the puppy raisers.
In March, 17 of the 24 puppy raisers returned the dogs as part of a deal 
with the foundation, which dismissed the suits and agreed to assess and 
place the dogs within six months.
Seven of the dogs since have been returned to the puppy raisers as unfit for

guide-dog duty, and 10 remain at the facility.
Still, no member of the blind community is working with dogs at the training

facility or has signed up to reside at the facility's dorms in the past six 
months, the foundation's lawyer said. A handler is required to live for two 
to four weeks there to establish a relationship with a dog before taking it 
home.
The puppy raisers say the failure to begin placing dogs is proof that the 
foundation is not making a good-faith effort. They question whether the 
current trainer has enough experience to work effectively with guide dogs.
The seven puppy raisers who still are being sued by Brown want a guarantee 
the dogs will be used to help the blind.
"There is nothing that (Brown) has done to relieve our concerns," said 
Paradise Valley resident Anna Thomasson, one of the seven. She has raised 
three dogs for the foundation in the past five years. "We don't believe they

have hired a qualified trainer." Hotchkiss, who represents Brown only in the

suit against the puppy raisers, said Brown is working in the best interests 
of the foundation and wants to avoid conflict.
"I fully understand (puppy raiser) concerns," he said. But he believes those

concerns are focused on the past. "Puppy raisers won't concede what is 
happening now."
Complaints abound
The puppy raisers' concerns are echoed in complaints from the blind 
community, past donors, former employees and the court-appointed receiver 
who once managed the foundation's finances. In interviews, letters to 
regulatory agencies and published accounts, they questioned the foundation's

management.
Joseph Etienne, appointed by the court to take over the foundation's 
operation two years ago, was critical of the way the foundation is run.
"Dogs are not being used for what they are trained for," Etienne said. 
"People's donations are not going for what they intended. Money is being 
used to litigate instead of furthering the training of seeing-eye dogs."
He said his analysis of the foundation and its finances from January to 
September 2007 found that it had nearly $8 million in assets and could place

a dozen dogs per year without receiving another donation, using only the 
interest it receives from investments.
During the months Etienne was trustee, he said, the foundation placed two 
dogs. He said it placed about three dogs over the two years before his 
involvement and has placed none since.
In contrast to the Eye Dog Foundation, the other school that trains German 
shepherds exclusively, Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation in Connecticut, reports 
that it places as many as 75 dogs per year.
Consumer-complaint letters about the Eye Dog Foundation have been sent to 
regulatory and law-enforcement agencies in California and Arizona.
Investigators with the California Attorney General's Office will neither 
confirm nor deny an investigation into the Eye Dog Foundation. Etienne said 
in May that investigators interviewed him.
In December 2008, the National Federation for the Blind published a scathing

article in the Braille Monitor magazine that concluded that the foundation's

practices should raise concerns. Tax records show that donations to the 
foundation have declined from $894,217 in 2004 to $139,899 in 2007. The 
foundation's single biggest expense in 2007 was legal fees, which totaled 
$215,296. It paid Brown $43,000 in salary.
The foundation reported on its federal tax form in April 2008 that it had 
purchased and bred 23 dogs for training and that "class schedules have been 
established and dogs are finishing training for release in later 2008."
Limon said she was promised a dog in 2007 and still is waiting. She said she

considered applying for a German shepherd at Fidelco, but there is a 
two-year waiting list and she didn't want to start the clock over again.
"I keep hoping it will all be worked out," Limon sai 



__._,_.___
Messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/message/20474;_ylc=X3oDMTM2aDQ5M2Vx
BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BG1zZ0lkAzIwNDc0
BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQR0cGNJZAMyMDQ3NA--> in this
topic (1)
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxaTkybXRuBF9TAzk3M
zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BG1zZ0lkAzIwNDc0BHNlYwNmd
HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ--?act=reply&messageNum=20474> Reply
(via web post) | Start
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbWVwNHVpBF9TAzk3M
zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc
3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ--> a new topic 
Messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMTZhMzRrBF9TA
zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21zZ
3MEc3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ-->  | Files
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZXI2NDlyBF9TAzk3
MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2ZpbGVz
BHN0aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk->  | Photos
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNnI3cXEzBF9TAzk
3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Bob3Q
Ec3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ-->  | Links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZWt2YTBrBF9TAzk3
MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2xpbmtz
BHN0aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk->  | Database
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJjajFmdmxwBF9TA
zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2RiB
HN0aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk->  | Polls
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbWEwNTF1BF9TAzk3
MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3BvbGxz
BHN0aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk->  | Members
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZDBtZHNxBF9TAz
k3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21icn
MEc3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ-->  | Calendar
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMWszdnVjBF9TA
zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2Nhb
ARzdGltZQMxMjUzMjk1NTA5>  
 
<http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYjhrbzZuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4O
TcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMjUzMjk1NTA5>
Yahoo! Groups 
Change
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbTl1MGlwBF9TAzk3M
zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3N0bmdzB
HN0aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk-> settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) 
Change settings via email: Switch
<mailto:gsdguides-digest at yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest>
delivery to Daily Digest | Switch
<mailto:gsdguides-traditional at yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery
Format: Traditional> format to Traditional 
Visit
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides;_ylc=X3oDMTJkazg4dHNyBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz
E0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2hwZgRzdGltZQ
MxMjUzMjk1NTA5> Your Group | Yahoo! Groups
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Use | Unsubscribe
<mailto:gsdguides-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com?subject=> 
Recent Activity

Visit
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMTAxdnNiBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz
E0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbW
UDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ--> Your Group 
Give Back

Yahoo!
<http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJtdDQzaXRyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSW
QDMzg5NzIxNARncnBzcElkAzE3MDcyOTQ5OTQEc2VjA25jbW9kBHNsawNicmFuZARzdGltZQMxMj
UzMjk1NTA5;_ylg=1/SIG=11314uv3k/**http%3A//brand.yahoo..com/forgood> for
Good

Get inspired

by a good cause.

Y! Toolbar

Get
<http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJvYTdxanRoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzIEZ3JwSW
QDMzg5NzIxNARncnBzcElkAzE3MDcyOTQ5OTQEc2VjA25jbW9kBHNsawN0b29sYmFyBHN0aW1lAz
EyNTMyOTU1MDk-;_ylg=1/SIG=11c6dvmk9/**http%3A//toolbar..yahoo.com/%3F.cpdl=y
grps> it Free!

easy 1-click access

to your groups.

Yahoo! Groups

Start
<http://groups.yahoo.com/start;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaDViNDJsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzME
Z3JwSWQDMzg5NzIxNARncnBzcElkAzE3MDcyOTQ5OTQEc2VjA25jbW9kBHNsawNncm91cHMyBHN0
aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk-> a group

in 3 easy steps.

Connect with others.

..
 
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=3897214/grpspId=1707294994/msgId
=20474/stime=1253295509/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3> 

__,_._,___

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.104/2379 - Release Date: 09/18/09
07:49:00




  _____  




_______________________________________________
Cagdu mailing list
Cagdu at nfbcal.org
https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.105/2380 - Release Date: 09/19/09
06:03:00


-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20090919/c20e4deb/attachment.html 

From rstigile at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep 19 13:42:25 2009
From: rstigile at sbcglobal.net (Robert Stigile)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:42:25 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] FW: Article: As Charity Cash Swells,
	Blind Await Guide Dogs
Message-ID: <881446.38835.qm@smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hello Tina,
I know that this has been an issue for a couple of years now.
I do not know, why the Guide Dog Board has not taken action on this issue.
They can worry about schools coming in to train, but not schools that are not 
training any dogs in this state.
Thanks,

Robert Stigile


> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "tina thomas " <tinadt at sbcglobal.net
>To: <cagdu at nfbcal.org
>Date sent: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:57:13 -0700
>Subject: Re: [Cagdu] FW: Article: As Charity Cash Swells,Blind Await Guide Dogs

>Good question Ken.  I am in the process of contacting some attorneys to see
>what legal steps need to be taken to stop this school from continuing their
>illegal practices.
>Tina



>"Trust your own instinct.  Your mistakes might as well be your own instead of
>someone else's."
>- Billy Wilder





>  _____

>From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf
>Of Ken Volonte
>Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:33 AM
>To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
>Subject: Re: [Cagdu] FW: Article: As Charity Cash Swells,Blind Await Guide
>Dogs


>Where is the California Guide dog Board?  After all, they are supposed to
>guard against illegitimate schools from doing business in this state.

>----- Original Message -----
>From: tina thomas  <mailto:tinadt at sbcglobal.net
>To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
>Cc: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
><mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> Guide Dog Users'
>Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 3:15 PM
>Subject: [Cagdu] FW: Article: As Charity Cash Swells, Blind Await Guide Dogs

>Subject: Article: As Charity Cash Swells, Blind Await Guide Dogs





>As charity's cash swells, blind await guide dogs
>by Robert Anglen - Sept.  18, 2009 12:00 AM
>The Arizona Republic
>A charity that raises and trains guide dogs for the blind has been
>collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations and investment
>income but has not placed a dog in more than two years.
>The California-based Eye Dog Foundation for the Blind, which has its
>training facility in Phoenix, has placed no more than 30 guide dogs since
>2000, an average of about three a year.
>Some blind people say the foundation has reneged on promises of providing a
>dog on a timely basis, so they go without a vital companion and link to the
>outside world.
>The Eye Dog Foundation is not lacking in resources.  In 2007, the most recent

>year for which tax records are available, it reported $7 million in assets
>and $716,000 in expenses.  It spent more than $156,000 in salaries and
>benefits and $215,000 in legal fees.
>The foundation is one of only two facilities in the country that exclusively

>train German shepherds, considered prized guide dogs but sometimes difficult

>to train.
>In the past two years, the foundation has gone through three professional
>dog trainers who walked off the job, and it repeatedly padlocked its
>training facility and kennel, once for more than three months.
>In 2008, volunteers who raise puppies in their homes until they are old
>enough for training began refusing to return dogs to the foundation.  They
>cited the training interruptions and alleged the dogs weren't properly fed
>or cared for.
>The foundation sued 24 puppy raisers, saying they had stolen the
>foundation's assets (the dogs) and violated their contracts.
>The foundation's president, Gwen Brown, refused to comment.  In a court
>hearing, she denied that dogs were neglected and maintained that past
>problems have been resolved.  Her lawyer said a new trainer has been hired
>and dogs again are being trained.
>"There are well-meaning people on both sides of the issue," said attorney
>Glenn Hotchkiss of Phoenix, adding that a lack of trust exists among all
>parties.  "There are a certain number of puppy raisers who won't believe
>anything that comes out of my mouth or out of Gwen Brown's mouth."
>Hotchkiss said there were "problems in the past," including an internal
>dispute that led a California court to take over operations in 2007.
>Hotchkiss said that no longer is an issue.
>"Since last September, things have been going well," he said.
>Meanwhile, some members of the blind community say they are in dire need of
>a guide dog.
>"I can't put into words what this has done to me," said Janis Limon of Mesa,

>who has been waiting for another dog from the foundation since 2007, when
>her previous dog died.  "My life has literally been taken from me.  I live
>alone.  I'm blind.  My dog went everywhere I went.  I used to walk 6, 7 miles a

>day.  Not anymore."
>Important mission
>The foundation started as a non-profit in California in 1952 and for decades

>was presided over by a Beverly Hills attorney, Lequita McKay.
>In 1988, after disputes with the state over licensing, the foundation bought

>land and opened a training facility in Phoenix, where no licenses and
>certifications were required.
>The foundation's purpose is to provide German shepherds to the blind free of

>charge.  The dogs are raised for the first year in the homes of contracted
>puppy raisers.
>More than 7,000 blind people in the United States rely on guide dogs.  While
>about 20 schools across the country train guide dogs, two train only German
>shepherds.  The rest primarily use Labrador retrievers.
>For nearly two decades, the foundation placed five to 10 dogs a year with
>blind handlers through the Phoenix facility on 15th Avenue near Baseline
>Road.
>But placements came to a halt in 2007, after infighting among six board
>members led to a stalemate over who should run the foundation.  One faction
>sued the other, and the foundation went into court-ordered receivership.
>Brown was voted in as the foundation's executive director.  Her management
>was called into question by some board members.
>McKay's death in 2007 effectively broke a board stalemate, giving Brown a
>majority in the dispute.  She moved the headquarters to her home in
>Claremont, Calif.
>The court decided it no longer had jurisdiction over the foundation and
>recalled it from receivership.
>No dogs placed
>The foundation since has been mired in controversy, culminating in the
>lawsuits against the puppy raisers.
>In March, 17 of the 24 puppy raisers returned the dogs as part of a deal
>with the foundation, which dismissed the suits and agreed to assess and
>place the dogs within six months.
>Seven of the dogs since have been returned to the puppy raisers as unfit for

>guide-dog duty, and 10 remain at the facility.
>Still, no member of the blind community is working with dogs at the training

>facility or has signed up to reside at the facility's dorms in the past six
>months, the foundation's lawyer said.  A handler is required to live for two
>to four weeks there to establish a relationship with a dog before taking it
>home.
>The puppy raisers say the failure to begin placing dogs is proof that the
>foundation is not making a good-faith effort.  They question whether the
>current trainer has enough experience to work effectively with guide dogs.
>The seven puppy raisers who still are being sued by Brown want a guarantee
>the dogs will be used to help the blind.
>"There is nothing that (Brown) has done to relieve our concerns," said
>Paradise Valley resident Anna Thomasson, one of the seven.  She has raised
>three dogs for the foundation in the past five years.  "We don't believe they

>have hired a qualified trainer." Hotchkiss, who represents Brown only in the

>suit against the puppy raisers, said Brown is working in the best interests
>of the foundation and wants to avoid conflict.
>"I fully understand (puppy raiser) concerns," he said.  But he believes those

>concerns are focused on the past.  "Puppy raisers won't concede what is
>happening now."
>Complaints abound
>The puppy raisers' concerns are echoed in complaints from the blind
>community, past donors, former employees and the court-appointed receiver
>who once managed the foundation's finances.  In interviews, letters to
>regulatory agencies and published accounts, they questioned the foundation's

>management.
>Joseph Etienne, appointed by the court to take over the foundation's
>operation two years ago, was critical of the way the foundation is run.
>"Dogs are not being used for what they are trained for," Etienne said.
>"People's donations are not going for what they intended.  Money is being
>used to litigate instead of furthering the training of seeing-eye dogs."
>He said his analysis of the foundation and its finances from January to
>September 2007 found that it had nearly $8 million in assets and could place

>a dozen dogs per year without receiving another donation, using only the
>interest it receives from investments.
>During the months Etienne was trustee, he said, the foundation placed two
>dogs.  He said it placed about three dogs over the two years before his
>involvement and has placed none since.
>In contrast to the Eye Dog Foundation, the other school that trains German
>shepherds exclusively, Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation in Connecticut, reports
>that it places as many as 75 dogs per year.
>Consumer-complaint letters about the Eye Dog Foundation have been sent to
>regulatory and law-enforcement agencies in California and Arizona.
>Investigators with the California Attorney General's Office will neither
>confirm nor deny an investigation into the Eye Dog Foundation.  Etienne said
>in May that investigators interviewed him.
>In December 2008, the National Federation for the Blind published a scathing

>article in the Braille Monitor magazine that concluded that the foundation's

>practices should raise concerns.  Tax records show that donations to the
>foundation have declined from $894,217 in 2004 to $139,899 in 2007.  The
>foundation's single biggest expense in 2007 was legal fees, which totaled
>$215,296.  It paid Brown $43,000 in salary.
>The foundation reported on its federal tax form in April 2008 that it had
>purchased and bred 23 dogs for training and that "class schedules have been
>established and dogs are finishing training for release in later 2008."
>Limon said she was promised a dog in 2007 and still is waiting.  She said she

>considered applying for a German shepherd at Fidelco, but there is a
>two-year waiting list and she didn't want to start the clock over again.
>"I keep hoping it will all be worked out," Limon sai



>__._,_.___
>Messages
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/message/20474;_ylc=X3oDMTM2aDQ5M2Vx
>BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BG1zZ0lkAzIwNDc0
>BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQR0cGNJZAMyMDQ3NA--> in this
>topic (1)
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxaTkybXRuBF9TAzk3M
>zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BG1zZ0lkAzIwNDc0BHNlYwNmd
>HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ--?act=reply&messageNum=20474> Reply
>(via web post) | Start
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbWVwNHVpBF9TAzk3M
>zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc
>3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ--> a new topic
>Messages
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMTZhMzRrBF9TA
>zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21zZ
>3MEc3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ-->  | Files
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZXI2NDlyBF9TAzk3
>MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2ZpbGVz
>BHN0aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk->  | Photos
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNnI3cXEzBF9TAzk
>3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Bob3Q
>Ec3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ-->  | Links
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZWt2YTBrBF9TAzk3
>MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2xpbmtz
>BHN0aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk->  | Database
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJjajFmdmxwBF9TA
>zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2RiB
>HN0aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk->  | Polls
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbWEwNTF1BF9TAzk3
>MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3BvbGxz
>BHN0aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk->  | Members
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZDBtZHNxBF9TAz
>k3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21icn
>MEc3RpbWUDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ-->  | Calendar
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMWszdnVjBF9TA
>zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2Nhb
>ARzdGltZQMxMjUzMjk1NTA5

><http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYjhrbzZuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4O
>TcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMjUzMjk1NTA5
>Yahoo! Groups
>Change
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbTl1MGlwBF9TAzk3M
>zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3N0bmdzB
>HN0aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk-> settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required)
>Change settings via email: Switch
><mailto:gsdguides-digest at yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest
>delivery to Daily Digest | Switch
><mailto:gsdguides-traditional at yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery
>Format: Traditional> format to Traditional
>Visit
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides;_ylc=X3oDMTJkazg4dHNyBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz
>E0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2hwZgRzdGltZQ
>MxMjUzMjk1NTA5> Your Group | Yahoo! Groups
><http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Use | Unsubscribe
><mailto:gsdguides-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com?subject=
>Recent Activity

>Visit
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsdguides;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMTAxdnNiBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz
>E0BGdycElkAzM4OTcyMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3Mjk0OTk0BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbW
>UDMTI1MzI5NTUwOQ--> Your Group
>Give Back

>Yahoo!
><http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJtdDQzaXRyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSW
>QDMzg5NzIxNARncnBzcElkAzE3MDcyOTQ5OTQEc2VjA25jbW9kBHNsawNicmFuZARzdGltZQMxMj
>UzMjk1NTA5;_ylg=1/SIG=11314uv3k/**http%3A//brand.yahoo..com/forgood> for
>Good

>Get inspired

>by a good cause.

>Y! Toolbar

>Get
><http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJvYTdxanRoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzIEZ3JwSW
>QDMzg5NzIxNARncnBzcElkAzE3MDcyOTQ5OTQEc2VjA25jbW9kBHNsawN0b29sYmFyBHN0aW1lAz
>EyNTMyOTU1MDk-;_ylg=1/SIG=11c6dvmk9/**http%3A//toolbar..yahoo.com/%3F.cpdl=y
>grps> it Free!

>easy 1-click access

>to your groups.

>Yahoo! Groups

>Start
><http://groups.yahoo.com/start;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaDViNDJsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzME
>Z3JwSWQDMzg5NzIxNARncnBzcElkAzE3MDcyOTQ5OTQEc2VjA25jbW9kBHNsawNncm91cHMyBHN0
>aW1lAzEyNTMyOTU1MDk-> a group

>in 3 easy steps.

>Connect with others.

>...

><http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=3897214/grpspId=1707294994/msgId
>=20474/stime=1253295509/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3

>__,_._,___

>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.104/2379 - Release Date: 09/18/09
>07:49:00




>  _____




>_______________________________________________
>Cagdu mailing list
>Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu


>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.105/2380 - Release Date: 09/19/09
>06:03:00





From kenvolonte at comcast.net  Mon Sep 21 23:00:47 2009
From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:00:47 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] speakers
Message-ID: <DA71D8F5307A477AA546B8B00BB87EE5@ken5f734aa928e>

Hi all.  Do we have speakers yet for the CAGDU meeting?  I'd like to hear a 
school such as GDB talk about their in home training and its parameters. 
This may throw a monkey wrench into the guide dog board's problem with such 
training because they would have to again justify their actions.  Also, I'd 
just like to hear how and why this training is becoming more prevalent.  Ken 



From rstigile at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 22 06:49:34 2009
From: rstigile at sbcglobal.net (Robert Stigile)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 06:49:34 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] speakers
Message-ID: <200909221414.n8MEEX6n010733@lothlorien.nfbcal.org>

Hello Ken,
I have tried with GDA, but they have a class starting on October 4th, so they 
probably wouldn't be able to attend.
I think, Peter was going to look into inviting GDB, so maybe you could discuss 
with him, where he is at with that, and if he has not been able to do it yet, 
possibly you could invite someone from GDB for us.
Thanks,

Robert Stigile


> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ken Volonte" <kenvolonte at comcast.net
>To: "Cagdu" <cagdu at nfbcal.org
>Date sent: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:00:47 -0700
>Subject: [Cagdu] speakers

>Hi all.  Do we have speakers yet for the CAGDU meeting?  I'd like to hear a
>school such as GDB talk about their in home training and its parameters.
>This may throw a monkey wrench into the guide dog board's problem with such
>training because they would have to again justify their actions.  Also, I'd
>just like to hear how and why this training is becoming more prevalent.  Ken

>_______________________________________________
>Cagdu mailing list
>Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu


From kenvolonte at comcast.net  Tue Sep 22 09:43:21 2009
From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:43:21 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] speakers
References: <200909221414.n8MEEX6n010733@lothlorien.nfbcal.org>
Message-ID: <DDA385F8F3DC405991F5139F4A6C655C@ken5f734aa928e>

Hi Peter.  Were you able to contact GDB and line up some speakers?  If not, 
I'll call Emily Simone and see if she can do this.  If she can't, I'll get 
somebody else unless you already have people lined up.  Thanks.  Ken
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Stigile" <rstigile at sbcglobal.net>
To: <cagdu at nfbcal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] speakers


> Hello Ken,
> I have tried with GDA, but they have a class starting on October 4th, so 
> they
> probably wouldn't be able to attend.
> I think, Peter was going to look into inviting GDB, so maybe you could 
> discuss
> with him, where he is at with that, and if he has not been able to do it 
> yet,
> possibly you could invite someone from GDB for us.
> Thanks,
>
> Robert Stigile
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ken Volonte" <kenvolonte at comcast.net
>>To: "Cagdu" <cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>Date sent: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:00:47 -0700
>>Subject: [Cagdu] speakers
>
>>Hi all.  Do we have speakers yet for the CAGDU meeting?  I'd like to hear 
>>a
>>school such as GDB talk about their in home training and its parameters.
>>This may throw a monkey wrench into the guide dog board's problem with 
>>such
>>training because they would have to again justify their actions.  Also, 
>>I'd
>>just like to hear how and why this training is becoming more prevalent. 
>>Ken
>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Cagdu mailing list
>>Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu