From jonathan at lyens.com  Tue Jul  7 21:59:11 2009
From: jonathan at lyens.com (Jonathan Lyens)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 00:59:11 -0400
Subject: [Cagdu] FW: July 30-31,
	2009 - State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind
Message-ID: <DE33046582DF324092F2A982824D6B0306BA91C7@mse15be2.mse15.exchange.ms>

-----Original Message-----
From: Guide Dog Board [mailto:guidedogboard at dca.ca.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 3:53 PM
To: Jonathan Lyens
Subject: July 30-31, 2009 - State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind

The State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind will meet on Thursday, July
30 and Friday, July 31, 2009 (9:00 AM - 5:00 PM - or until completion of
business) at the Department of Consumer Affairs, 1625 N. Market Blvd.
(Sacramento Room - Third Floor), Sacramento, CA 95834.  To view the
meeting agendas, visit us on the web at:

Thursday, July 30, 2009
http://www.guidedogboard.ca.gov/about/meeting/agenda_20090730.shtml  

Friday, July 31, 2009
http://www.guidedogboard.ca.gov/about/meeting/agenda_20090731.shtml  

Thank you.

Sincerely,

The State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind
1625 N. Market Blvd., Suite S-202
Sacramento, CA 95834
(916) 574-7826 phone
(916) 574-7829 fax
guidedogboard at dca.ca.gov   
www.guidedogboard.ca.gov   




From kenvolonte at comcast.net  Fri Jul 10 20:58:05 2009
From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:58:05 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] new hearing for Billy
Message-ID: <83058CF6D0884A8EA29CB99B7D60D968@ken5f734aa928e>

Hi all.  Hope the convention was a wopdoliger, as Dr. Jernigan was wont to 
say.  Well, on to business.

    John Vandervort and Billy are being heard again in Stockton small clames 
court on the 13th.  I'll not be in the court room this time, as I don't 
think it helps John's case to see a guide dog right next to Billy.  In any 
case, I'm glad that the case is being reheard, as the judge was, to say the 
least, incurious.  He didn't care about John's lost earnings, nor that Billy 
was a service animal attacked while  in performance of his duties.

    This doesn't have to do with Billy's case, but I'll ask it anyway.  What 
would have happened if the attack were on a police canine unit type dog? 
Bang! That's what and no questions asked.  I'm just sayin 



From manongrassyknoll at gmail.com  Sat Jul 11 07:20:46 2009
From: manongrassyknoll at gmail.com (luis g)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:20:46 -0400
Subject: [Cagdu] new hearing for Billy
In-Reply-To: <83058CF6D0884A8EA29CB99B7D60D968@ken5f734aa928e>
References: <83058CF6D0884A8EA29CB99B7D60D968@ken5f734aa928e>
Message-ID: <3de2c5e10907110720g5c61821el400f0f8874cb7b68@mail.gmail.com>

I'm glad it is being reheard as well. That's bull

On 7/10/09, Ken Volonte <kenvolonte at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi all.  Hope the convention was a wopdoliger, as Dr. Jernigan was wont to
> say.  Well, on to business.
>
>     John Vandervort and Billy are being heard again in Stockton small clames
> court on the 13th.  I'll not be in the court room this time, as I don't
> think it helps John's case to see a guide dog right next to Billy.  In any
> case, I'm glad that the case is being reheard, as the judge was, to say the
> least, incurious.  He didn't care about John's lost earnings, nor that Billy
> was a service animal attacked while  in performance of his duties.
>
>     This doesn't have to do with Billy's case, but I'll ask it anyway.  What
> would have happened if the attack were on a police canine unit type dog?
> Bang! That's what and no questions asked.  I'm just sayin
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
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From Antonette_Sorrick at dca.ca.gov  Sat Jul 11 16:00:38 2009
From: Antonette_Sorrick at dca.ca.gov (Antonette_Sorrick at dca.ca.gov)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:00:38 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] Antonette Sorrick/EXEC/DCANotes is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OFBE9ECDE6.7694397A-ON882575F0.007E66E7-882575F0.007E66E7@dca.ca.gov>





I will be out of the office starting  07/10/2009 and will not return until
07/13/2009.

The office is closed due to the Governor imposed furloughs.  The office
will re-open Monday, July 13.



From kenvolonte at comcast.net  Tue Jul 14 00:15:00 2009
From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:15:00 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] blood from a stone
Message-ID: <E521D0F10EEA48CA98068FD0F4C50E02@ken5f734aa928e>

Billy's case was reheard this morning.  Defendants showed up late and the 
judge was irritated at having to rehear the case.  He gave the same ruling 
as last time, vet bills and court costs.  John's going to write a letter to 
the administrative judge, but I don't think anything more will come of this. 
It's just the principle of the thing.  Any counsel would be appreciated. 
Thanks.  Ken 



From julietcody at cox.net  Thu Jul 16 18:31:02 2009
From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:31:02 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] blood from a stone
References: <E521D0F10EEA48CA98068FD0F4C50E02@ken5f734aa928e>
Message-ID: <532163BE71F745B79287628707A41457@user1b3ecca35d>

HI Ken,
Thanks for the update,  missed you at convention.
JC and M
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Volonte" <kenvolonte at comcast.net>
To: "Cagdu" <cagdu at nfbcal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:15 AM
Subject: [Cagdu] blood from a stone


> Billy's case was reheard this morning.  Defendants showed up late and the
> judge was irritated at having to rehear the case.  He gave the same ruling
> as last time, vet bills and court costs.  John's going to write a letter 
> to
> the administrative judge, but I don't think anything more will come of 
> this.
> It's just the principle of the thing.  Any counsel would be appreciated.
> Thanks.  Ken
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
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From kenvolonte at comcast.net  Sat Jul 25 13:16:50 2009
From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:16:50 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies
Message-ID: <66B3733B7398404593ECDA341C2BFCD3@ken5f734aa928e>

Hi all.  We've got a situation in which guide dog puppies are not being 
allowed into schools for their year's worth of socialization.  Are the 
puppies afforded the same protection under the law as guide dogs are?  It 
seems as though they should be.  As things stand now, the dogs are put in 
kennels for 6 hours a day while the raisers are at school.  This is nuts! 
GDB says the puppies are not entitled to any protection at all.  If that's 
the case, then what's the point? 



From rstigile at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jul 25 14:23:27 2009
From: rstigile at sbcglobal.net (robert stigile)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:23:27 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies
Message-ID: <349622.74145.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Ken,
Can you explain a little more?
Yes, the puppies are not given the same rights as trained guides.
If a business wants to tell the puppy raiser, that they do not 
want it in they have that right.
I have not seen this take place in a long time, but it can and 
there is nothing that a puppy raiser can do.
A long time ago, the MTA in Los Angeles wouldn't let puppy 
raisers bring the dog on the bus, but after many hours of 
explaining how it can benefit, there is not an issue now.
You might want to consider a resolution about this, so that the 
NFBC can work to change this.
Good luck,


> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ken Volonte" <kenvolonte at comcast.net
>To: "Cagdu" <cagdu at nfbcal.org
>Date sent: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:16:50 -0700
>Subject: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies

>Hi all.  We've got a situation in which guide dog puppies are not 
being
>allowed into schools for their year's worth of socialization.  
Are the
>puppies afforded the same protection under the law as guide dogs 
are?  It
>seems as though they should be.  As things stand now, the dogs 
are put in
>kennels for 6 hours a day while the raisers are at school.  This 
is nuts!
>GDB says the puppies are not entitled to any protection at all.  
If that's
>the case, then what's the point?

>_______________________________________________
>Cagdu mailing list
>Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu



From kenvolonte at comcast.net  Sat Jul 25 16:40:48 2009
From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:40:48 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies
References: <349622.74145.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0AEB63D736524904A35533F115911228@ken5f734aa928e>

Hi Robert and all.  There is a situation in the Manteca school district in 
which at least four high school students and a teacher have been denied 
permission to bring their puppies to school.  It didn't use to be that way, 
but some idiot teacher brought his pet dog to school and it bit someone.

    It is important that puppies be allowed in schools for their own 
socialization.  What good does it do for a puppy to spend six hours a day in 
a crate or kennel away from people and activities?

    Guide dog puppies are allowed in schools in Utah, Nevada and Colorado. 
In fact, schools and businesses can't discriminate against puppies in 
training.  In Nevada, it went all the way up to the state Supreme Court.

    How could we sit on our hands while this happened!  It's not an issue 
from long ago, and if it was, this federation should have dealt with it head 
on.

    I'll write a resolution, but I want cagdu's word that you will support 
me in this.  Let us take to the barricades again.  Ken
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert stigile" <rstigile at sbcglobal.net>
To: <cagdu at nfbcal.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies


> Hello Ken,
> Can you explain a little more?
> Yes, the puppies are not given the same rights as trained guides.
> If a business wants to tell the puppy raiser, that they do not
> want it in they have that right.
> I have not seen this take place in a long time, but it can and
> there is nothing that a puppy raiser can do.
> A long time ago, the MTA in Los Angeles wouldn't let puppy
> raisers bring the dog on the bus, but after many hours of
> explaining how it can benefit, there is not an issue now.
> You might want to consider a resolution about this, so that the
> NFBC can work to change this.
> Good luck,
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ken Volonte" <kenvolonte at comcast.net
>>To: "Cagdu" <cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>Date sent: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:16:50 -0700
>>Subject: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies
>
>>Hi all.  We've got a situation in which guide dog puppies are not
> being
>>allowed into schools for their year's worth of socialization.
> Are the
>>puppies afforded the same protection under the law as guide dogs
> are?  It
>>seems as though they should be.  As things stand now, the dogs
> are put in
>>kennels for 6 hours a day while the raisers are at school.  This
> is nuts!
>>GDB says the puppies are not entitled to any protection at all.
> If that's
>>the case, then what's the point?
>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Cagdu mailing list
>>Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu 



From jonathan at lyens.com  Sat Jul 25 19:15:41 2009
From: jonathan at lyens.com (Jonathan Lyens)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:15:41 -0400
Subject: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies
In-Reply-To: <0AEB63D736524904A35533F115911228@ken5f734aa928e>
References: <349622.74145.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<0AEB63D736524904A35533F115911228@ken5f734aa928e>
Message-ID: <DE33046582DF324092F2A982824D6B0306E26A40@mse15be2.mse15.exchange.ms>

Ken-

Has anyone tried engaging in a formal dialogue with the district?
Perhaps a letter to the district Superintendant with copies to all 4 of
the principals of the high schools in question. This letter could
articulate what the difference between guide dog puppies and pet dogs
are. This letter could also spell out how vital this socialization is
for a dog that will soon enough be responsible for guiding in such
environments. This is particularly important as more and more schools
are moving towards providing guides to blind people at younger ages (a
point of contention worthy of a different discussion). 

I have no problem with your idea of a resolution. However, I think that
immediate engagement with the school district could yield results more
quickly. Its been my experience that most people just don't know any
different. Often times, once educated, they can be lead to a more
appropriate decision. 

Best-

Jonathan  

Jonathan T. Lyens MPA 
Email: jonathan at lyens.com 
Fax: (321) 256-8896 
Skype: jlyens 

-----Original Message-----
From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On
Behalf Of Ken Volonte
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 4:41 PM
To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies

Hi Robert and all.  There is a situation in the Manteca school district
in 
which at least four high school students and a teacher have been denied 
permission to bring their puppies to school.  It didn't use to be that
way, 
but some idiot teacher brought his pet dog to school and it bit someone.

    It is important that puppies be allowed in schools for their own 
socialization.  What good does it do for a puppy to spend six hours a
day in 
a crate or kennel away from people and activities?

    Guide dog puppies are allowed in schools in Utah, Nevada and
Colorado. 
In fact, schools and businesses can't discriminate against puppies in 
training.  In Nevada, it went all the way up to the state Supreme Court.

    How could we sit on our hands while this happened!  It's not an
issue 
from long ago, and if it was, this federation should have dealt with it
head 
on.

    I'll write a resolution, but I want cagdu's word that you will
support 
me in this.  Let us take to the barricades again.  Ken
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert stigile" <rstigile at sbcglobal.net>
To: <cagdu at nfbcal.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies


> Hello Ken,
> Can you explain a little more?
> Yes, the puppies are not given the same rights as trained guides.
> If a business wants to tell the puppy raiser, that they do not
> want it in they have that right.
> I have not seen this take place in a long time, but it can and
> there is nothing that a puppy raiser can do.
> A long time ago, the MTA in Los Angeles wouldn't let puppy
> raisers bring the dog on the bus, but after many hours of
> explaining how it can benefit, there is not an issue now.
> You might want to consider a resolution about this, so that the
> NFBC can work to change this.
> Good luck,
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ken Volonte" <kenvolonte at comcast.net
>>To: "Cagdu" <cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>Date sent: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:16:50 -0700
>>Subject: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies
>
>>Hi all.  We've got a situation in which guide dog puppies are not
> being
>>allowed into schools for their year's worth of socialization.
> Are the
>>puppies afforded the same protection under the law as guide dogs
> are?  It
>>seems as though they should be.  As things stand now, the dogs
> are put in
>>kennels for 6 hours a day while the raisers are at school.  This
> is nuts!
>>GDB says the puppies are not entitled to any protection at all.
> If that's
>>the case, then what's the point?
>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Cagdu mailing list
>>Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu 

_______________________________________________
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From kenvolonte at comcast.net  Sun Jul 26 03:43:35 2009
From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:43:35 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies
References: <349622.74145.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com><0AEB63D736524904A35533F115911228@ken5f734aa928e>
	<DE33046582DF324092F2A982824D6B0306E26A40@mse15be2.mse15.exchange.ms>
Message-ID: <FB2D9ADDBBBC492098E9864A80DFF75A@ken5f734aa928e>

Hi Jonathan.  Thanks for your advice.  I'll try to engage these principles, 
but I now find that there is more stuff going on having nothing to do with 
guide dogs.  It's a matter of new people at the top and contract 
negotiations; a turf war if you please.  I wanted to stay away from this 
toxic situation, but I'm in for it now.  Ken
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan Lyens" <jonathan at lyens.com>
To: <cagdu at nfbcal.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies


> Ken-
>
> Has anyone tried engaging in a formal dialogue with the district?
> Perhaps a letter to the district Superintendant with copies to all 4 of
> the principals of the high schools in question. This letter could
> articulate what the difference between guide dog puppies and pet dogs
> are. This letter could also spell out how vital this socialization is
> for a dog that will soon enough be responsible for guiding in such
> environments. This is particularly important as more and more schools
> are moving towards providing guides to blind people at younger ages (a
> point of contention worthy of a different discussion).
>
> I have no problem with your idea of a resolution. However, I think that
> immediate engagement with the school district could yield results more
> quickly. Its been my experience that most people just don't know any
> different. Often times, once educated, they can be lead to a more
> appropriate decision.
>
> Best-
>
> Jonathan
>
> Jonathan T. Lyens MPA
> Email: jonathan at lyens.com
> Fax: (321) 256-8896
> Skype: jlyens
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On
> Behalf Of Ken Volonte
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 4:41 PM
> To: cagdu at nfbcal.org
> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies
>
> Hi Robert and all.  There is a situation in the Manteca school district
> in
> which at least four high school students and a teacher have been denied
> permission to bring their puppies to school.  It didn't use to be that
> way,
> but some idiot teacher brought his pet dog to school and it bit someone.
>
>    It is important that puppies be allowed in schools for their own
> socialization.  What good does it do for a puppy to spend six hours a
> day in
> a crate or kennel away from people and activities?
>
>    Guide dog puppies are allowed in schools in Utah, Nevada and
> Colorado.
> In fact, schools and businesses can't discriminate against puppies in
> training.  In Nevada, it went all the way up to the state Supreme Court.
>
>    How could we sit on our hands while this happened!  It's not an
> issue
> from long ago, and if it was, this federation should have dealt with it
> head
> on.
>
>    I'll write a resolution, but I want cagdu's word that you will
> support
> me in this.  Let us take to the barricades again.  Ken
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "robert stigile" <rstigile at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <cagdu at nfbcal.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies
>
>
>> Hello Ken,
>> Can you explain a little more?
>> Yes, the puppies are not given the same rights as trained guides.
>> If a business wants to tell the puppy raiser, that they do not
>> want it in they have that right.
>> I have not seen this take place in a long time, but it can and
>> there is nothing that a puppy raiser can do.
>> A long time ago, the MTA in Los Angeles wouldn't let puppy
>> raisers bring the dog on the bus, but after many hours of
>> explaining how it can benefit, there is not an issue now.
>> You might want to consider a resolution about this, so that the
>> NFBC can work to change this.
>> Good luck,
>>
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Ken Volonte" <kenvolonte at comcast.net
>>>To: "Cagdu" <cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>>Date sent: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:16:50 -0700
>>>Subject: [Cagdu] guide dog puppies
>>
>>>Hi all.  We've got a situation in which guide dog puppies are not
>> being
>>>allowed into schools for their year's worth of socialization.
>> Are the
>>>puppies afforded the same protection under the law as guide dogs
>> are?  It
>>>seems as though they should be.  As things stand now, the dogs
>> are put in
>>>kennels for 6 hours a day while the raisers are at school.  This
>> is nuts!
>>>GDB says the puppies are not entitled to any protection at all.
>> If that's
>>>the case, then what's the point?
>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Cagdu mailing list
>>>Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>>>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cagdu mailing list
>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cagdu mailing list
> Cagdu at nfbcal.org
> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
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From Antonette_Sorrick at dca.ca.gov  Sun Jul 26 16:01:03 2009
From: Antonette_Sorrick at dca.ca.gov (Antonette_Sorrick at dca.ca.gov)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:01:03 -0700
Subject: [Cagdu] Antonette Sorrick/EXEC/DCANotes is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF85CCA893.7AA3D7E2-ON882575FF.007E7082-882575FF.007E7084@dca.ca.gov>





I will be out of the office starting  07/24/2009 and will not return until
07/27/2009.

The office is closed due to the Governor imposed furloughs.  The office
will re-open Monday, July 27.