From julietcody at cox.net Wed Aug 1 13:31:42 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:31:42 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] introduction References: <002e01c7d3fd$c49b09b0$6401a8c0@michael> Message-ID: <005d01c7d47a$f8a63810$53866f44@user1b3ecca35d> Welcome Mike and Terra, It is great to have you two as part of our chapter. I don't know if you guys are aware about the upcoming seminar, August 11, 2007. I will attach a flyer. Also, GDB, is a great school! Many of us on this list are graduates from there. I know some of my friends have applied more than once before being accepted, so do not give up. However, there are a few other guide dog schools that are also good. JC and M (M is for Marly she is my dog( ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Peterson To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:35 PM Subject: [Cagdu] introduction Mike Peterson here. I tried to check in before but it didn't take so hopefully I'm doing this right. Many of you haven't met me before because it's been a while since I attended an NFB convention but I and my wife Terra are going to try to attend this one. Many of the old timers will remember me but for those who don't I was active prodominantly in the 70's and 80's and when Sharon Gold began as president I held offices in the San Fernando Valley and was for a time prior to Michael Bayliff, president of the Student division of the NFBC. Not bragging but actually just want those who don't know me to know I have a good working knowledge of and believe in the NFB philosophy. I also at one point had an article in one of the Kernel books I think it's out of print now. Currently I'm pursuing a masters degree in vocational rehabilitation and my wife Terra is trying to obtain training as an access technology instructor when Rehab gets it set up. so we will in the next couple years be back in the city Thank God. Hopefully I will renew old acquaintances and both Terra and I will make lots of new ones. We put our reservations in today and it looks like we're going to come in on AMtrak. We did find some really great rates for flying though about $106 a person from Burbank on Southwest I think. - Ignored: I can send the info Terra found if anyone's interested. Looking forward to meeting all of you and Terra is really excited because she's never been to an NFB convention. She grew up in Ralston PA than moved to Nashville TN I met her there. She has no real involvement with the organized blind and so far we haven't been able to round up enough folks out this way to start a chapter. We live in Rosamond, CA which is just across the Kern county line. Terra did try to get a guide dog from San Raphael as did I last year. In her case they thought her vision is to good in mine my mobility isn't as good in the rural setting as it was in the city. Actually in part what messed me up it was a little windy on the day the lady came out and we have trains that come by fairly often, I have a 50% hearing loss and use hearing aids so that affected my street crossings, I guess I didn't wait as long as she thought I should have to make sure traffic wasn't coming. We might try again at some point at another guide dog school. Terra's phipheral vision has seemed to be getting worse lately so her time may come sooner than later I can use a cane still so I might let her pursue her dog first. She also uses a cane but I don't know how much of it was with a qualified mobility instructor. We look forward to doing what we can to assist with your project. and Sorry that last message went to the wrong list I didn't pay attention to the headers and subject line as well as I should. God Bless: Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070801/125958e1/attachment.html From snowbird170 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 14:49:26 2007 From: snowbird170 at yahoo.com (Karmalynne) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Cagdu] seminar Message-ID: <130029.27012.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Julie, I have a question? Is the seminar still happening on the August 11th? I didn't see it in the August Bulletin. I received a phone call from my two nieves' teacher. She was wanting to know details, and I was just wondering what was happening? Thank you, Karmalynne SKYPE:klrios MSN Messenger:christmaskarma70 at hotmail.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From julietcody at cox.net Wed Aug 1 16:45:42 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:45:42 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Please ReadFw: seminar Message-ID: <00bd01c7d496$12680ba0$53866f44@user1b3ecca35d> Hello CAGDU ERS, First I want to thank everyone for your enthusiasm and help. Many of you have been calling and e-mailing me about the NFBCal and why CAGDU does not have a link? The answer is, I do not know, but I did talk to Tiffany Manosh and she said she would fix it. I also told her about your phone calls expressing concerns about the seminar not being posted under up coming events, and Tiffany said she would fix that also. Thanks, Tiffany and lets keep up the good work! Finally, the question about why it was not in the monthly presidents Bulletin the answer is in the e-mail below that our president just send out. I do not have control over that. I do have a request, lets use the CAGDU list serve. I will forward the reason in an e-mail that I just received from Kevin from our state office. I will post it. Lastly, if anyone wants to join the CAGDU list serve just e-mail: tmanosh at sbcglobal.net letting her know that you want to join the list. Thanks for all of your help and dedication. Lets continue our hard work and make it a great seminar! JC and M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Stigile" To: "Julietta Cody" ; "Karmalynne Rios" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:41 PM Subject: seminar > Hello Juliet and Karmalynne, > I have seen your posts on the NFBC listserve, which by the way, I have > received some e-mails from new people in the state, mentioning to me, that > there has been too much for them to digest about dogs and other such > information. > Anyways, the reason the seminar is not in the Bulletin, is due to the > fact, that many chapters do not meet until the second Saturday or later, > so by the time the President reads the Bulletin, it will be the day before > or that day and they will not have the information anyways. > Hope this explains things, > > Robert Stigile From julietcody at cox.net Wed Aug 1 16:58:08 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:58:08 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] reason why we should use CAGDU List Fw: [Nfbc-info] private communications Message-ID: <002401c7d497$cf266a60$53866f44@user1b3ecca35d> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Smalley" To: "list serve" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:13 PM Subject: [Nfbc-info] private communications Hello Californians: Our listserve is a valuable tool that is used to disseminate important NFB news and announcements, Bulletins, and other information pertinent to the blind and visually impaired community. We actively support our members in contributing posts to the listserve that are beneficial to everyone. This service keeps our Federation family up to date and informed on current issues. We do kindly ask that you keep interpersonal messages off the listserve and instead email them directly to the individual. By doing so, we hope to keep the service meaningful to all subscribers and free of excessive messages. Kevin Smalley, Development Director National Federation of the Blind of California NFBCevents at yahoo.com phone 818 . 342 . 6524 fax 818 . 344 . 7930 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Nfbc-info mailing list > Nfbc-info at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbc-info > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00028.txt Url: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070801/5ed9aaa2/attachment.txt From julietcody at cox.net Wed Aug 1 19:05:58 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:05:58 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Check out the Website Message-ID: <01f001c7d4a9$aafc2000$53866f44@user1b3ecca35d> Hello CAGDU Community: Check out nfbcal.org under current event and the link flyer! It sounds great! JC and M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However I will be on the conference line at 6:30 for those of you that can join me. If you would like to join us, Welcome. Thanks, Juliet . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070805/a165fa15/attachment.html From julietcody at cox.net Mon Aug 6 12:16:33 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:16:33 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] power team Message-ID: <006b01c7d85e$4d91e180$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> Hello All, Thanks, for the good meeting last night. As we discussed and agreed we must tie- up loose ends and finalized the seminar by Thursday August 9th. Below is a list of work that has been delegated and must be follow through, so we can successfully finish our project. I have privately spoken to all of you about these assignments and everyone has agreed to get them done. . Please if something comes up and you are unable to follow thru either call or e-mail me . I also want to say I am very thankful and feel privileged to have had the opportunity to work with all of you. We are an outstanding group of advocates and achievers . There is not a doubt that the CAGDU Community believes in their mission, and We plan to overcome unnecessary obstacles. List of things that MUST be done: Roger ,- Follow-up on your donation letters, call LIFT (Kathy), call Yellow, Courtesy and Coach Taxi as we discussed today. JC Fred, as we discussed, please get started on PR and follow up on Pizza Port and new York Pizza JC Pat, join Fred on the PR plan and you and I will discuss the list of door prices before Thursday. JC Robert, Tiff, Karma and Luis, please make one more attempt to follow up with a phone call to the places on the invitation list that you did not connected with. Do not bother with ones that you have already have made contact with. Please let me know what you come up with. JC Peter, please follow up on the life guard. JC Shannon, I am going to give you Tina's list to follow-up. I will send you the list on a private e-mail so there is no confusion. JC Karma, please call the Pizza places we worked on last week (4 of them). JC This is list one, I will call Simone, Betz, john, Diane, Ilene and Gabriella for list 2. Then we will be done. I lied, that is after I confirm all of our speakers and write the agenda!!! to all of you! Thanks, I love all of you and all of our doggies! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070806/94efefd4/attachment.html From rstigile at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 6 13:12:13 2007 From: rstigile at sbcglobal.net (robert stigile) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:12:13 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] power team Message-ID: <200708062036.l76Ka8NB029429@lothlorien.nfbcal.org> Hello Juliet, I just called all five of my places, and spoke with people, but they were not the right ones, so they transfered me, I have left messages and hope that I will receive a call back. Let me know what else you would like me to do. Thanks, Robert Stigile > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Juliett Cody" To: Date sent: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:16:33 -0700 >Subject: [Cagdu] power team >Hello All, >Thanks, for the good meeting last night. As we discussed and agreed we must tie- up loose ends and finalized the seminar by Thursday August 9th. > Below is a list of work that has been delegated and must be follow through, so we can successfully finish our project. I have privately spoken to all of you about these assignments and everyone has agreed to get them done. . Please if something comes up and you are unable to follow thru either call or e-mail me >.. I also want to say I am very thankful and feel privileged to have had the opportunity to work with all of you. We are an outstanding group of advocates and achievers . There is not a doubt that the CAGDU Community believes in their mission, and We plan to overcome unnecessary obstacles. >List of things that MUST be done: >Roger ,- Follow-up on your donation letters, call LIFT (Kathy), call Yellow, Courtesy and Coach Taxi as we discussed today. JC >Fred, as we discussed, please get started on PR and follow up on Pizza Port and new York Pizza JC >Pat, join Fred on the PR plan and you and I will discuss the list of door prices before Thursday. JC >Robert, Tiff, Karma and Luis, please make one more attempt to follow up with a phone call to the places on the invitation list that you did not connected with. Do not bother with ones that you have already have made contact with. Please let me know what you come up with. JC >Peter, please follow up on the life guard. JC >Shannon, I am going to give you Tina's list to follow-up. I will send you the list on a private e-mail so there is no confusion. JC >Karma, please call the Pizza places we worked on last week (4 of them). JC >This is list one, I will call Simone, Betz, john, Diane, Ilene and Gabriella for list 2. Then we will be done. I lied, that is after I confirm all of our speakers and write the agenda!!! to all of you! >Thanks, >I love all of you and all of our doggies! From snowbird170 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 6 13:58:18 2007 From: snowbird170 at yahoo.com (Karmalynne) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Cagdu] power team In-Reply-To: <006b01c7d85e$4d91e180$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> Message-ID: <959515.21861.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Juliet, I have left yet another message for the one place that did not call me. I have also left message for the messages for the managers for the 4 pizza places. If they do NOT call me by Wednesday, I will call again. Love, Karmalynne SKYPE:klrios MSN messenger:christmaskarma70 at hotmail.com --- Juliett Cody wrote: > Hello All, > Thanks, for the good meeting last night. As we > discussed and agreed we must tie- up loose ends > and finalized the seminar by Thursday August > 9th. > > Below is a list of work that has been > delegated and must be follow through, so we > can successfully finish our project. I have > privately spoken to all of you about these > assignments and everyone has agreed to get them > done. . Please if something comes up and you > are unable to follow thru either call or e-mail > me > > . I also want to say I am very thankful and > feel privileged to have had the opportunity to > work with all of you. We are an outstanding > group of advocates and achievers . There is > not a doubt that the CAGDU Community believes > in their mission, and We plan to overcome > unnecessary obstacles. > > List of things that MUST be done: > Roger ,- Follow-up on your donation letters, > call LIFT (Kathy), call Yellow, Courtesy and > Coach Taxi as we discussed today. JC > > Fred, as we discussed, please get started on PR > and follow up on Pizza Port and new York Pizza > JC > > Pat, join Fred on the PR plan and you and I > will discuss the list of door prices before > Thursday. JC > > Robert, Tiff, Karma and Luis, please make one > more attempt to follow up with a phone call to > the places on the invitation list that you did > not connected with. Do not bother with ones > that you have already have made contact with. > Please let me know what you come up with. JC > > Peter, please follow up on the life guard. JC > > > Shannon, I am going to give you Tina's list to > follow-up. I will send you the list on a > private e-mail so there is no confusion. JC > > Karma, please call the Pizza places we worked > on last week (4 of them). JC > > This is list one, I will call Simone, Betz, > john, Diane, Ilene and Gabriella for list 2. > Then we will be done. I lied, that is after I > confirm all of our speakers and write the > agenda!!! to all of you! > > > > > Thanks, > I love all of you and all of our doggies! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From julietcody at cox.net Mon Aug 6 15:58:06 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:58:06 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] power team References: <200708062036.l76Ka8NB029429@lothlorien.nfbcal.org> Message-ID: <00c301c7d87d$40b824f0$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> AHH! Like the hotel! They are trying to ditch us! Just kidding, I would appreciate it if you would try again later or tomorrow. Thanks, Love, JC ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert stigile" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team > Hello Juliet, > I just called all five of my places, and spoke with people, but > they were not the right ones, so they transfered me, I have left > messages and hope that I will receive a call back. > Let me know what else you would like me to do. > Thanks, > > Robert Stigile > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Juliett Cody" >To: >Date sent: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:16:33 -0700 >>Subject: [Cagdu] power team > >>Hello All, >>Thanks, for the good meeting last night. As we discussed and > agreed we must tie- up loose ends and finalized the seminar by > Thursday August 9th. > >> Below is a list of work that has been delegated and must be > follow through, so we can successfully finish our project. I > have privately spoken to all of you about these assignments and > everyone has agreed to get them done. . Please if something > comes up and you are unable to follow thru either call or e-mail > me > >>.. I also want to say I am very thankful and feel privileged to > have had the opportunity to work with all of you. We are an > outstanding group of advocates and achievers . There is not a > doubt that the CAGDU Community believes in their mission, and We > plan to overcome unnecessary obstacles. > >>List of things that MUST be done: >>Roger ,- Follow-up on your donation letters, call LIFT (Kathy), > call Yellow, Courtesy and Coach Taxi as we discussed today. JC > >>Fred, as we discussed, please get started on PR and follow up on > Pizza Port and new York Pizza JC > >>Pat, join Fred on the PR plan and you and I will discuss the list > of door prices before Thursday. JC > >>Robert, Tiff, Karma and Luis, please make one more attempt to > follow up with a phone call to the places on the invitation list > that you did not connected with. Do not bother with ones that > you have already have made contact with. Please let me know what > you come up with. JC > >>Peter, please follow up on the life guard. JC > >>Shannon, I am going to give you Tina's list to follow-up. I > will send you the list on a private e-mail so there is no > confusion. JC > >>Karma, please call the Pizza places we worked on last week (4 of > them). JC > >>This is list one, I will call Simone, Betz, john, Diane, Ilene > and Gabriella for list 2. Then we will be done. I lied, that > is after I confirm all of our speakers and write the agenda!!! to > all of you! > > > > >>Thanks, >>I love all of you and all of our doggies! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu From julietcody at cox.net Mon Aug 6 15:59:21 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:59:21 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] power team References: <959515.21861.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c901c7d87d$6cfdc330$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> Great job, Karma! Thanks, Love, JC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karmalynne" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team > Hey Juliet, > I have left yet another message for the one place > that did not call me. I have also left message > for the messages for the managers for the 4 pizza > places. If they do NOT call me by Wednesday, I > will call again. > Love, > Karmalynne > SKYPE:klrios > MSN messenger:christmaskarma70 at hotmail.com > > --- Juliett Cody wrote: > >> Hello All, >> Thanks, for the good meeting last night. As we >> discussed and agreed we must tie- up loose ends >> and finalized the seminar by Thursday August >> 9th. >> >> Below is a list of work that has been >> delegated and must be follow through, so we >> can successfully finish our project. I have >> privately spoken to all of you about these >> assignments and everyone has agreed to get them >> done. . Please if something comes up and you >> are unable to follow thru either call or e-mail >> me >> >> . I also want to say I am very thankful and >> feel privileged to have had the opportunity to >> work with all of you. We are an outstanding >> group of advocates and achievers . There is >> not a doubt that the CAGDU Community believes >> in their mission, and We plan to overcome >> unnecessary obstacles. >> >> List of things that MUST be done: >> Roger ,- Follow-up on your donation letters, >> call LIFT (Kathy), call Yellow, Courtesy and >> Coach Taxi as we discussed today. JC >> >> Fred, as we discussed, please get started on PR >> and follow up on Pizza Port and new York Pizza >> JC >> >> Pat, join Fred on the PR plan and you and I >> will discuss the list of door prices before >> Thursday. JC >> >> Robert, Tiff, Karma and Luis, please make one >> more attempt to follow up with a phone call to >> the places on the invitation list that you did >> not connected with. Do not bother with ones >> that you have already have made contact with. >> Please let me know what you come up with. JC >> >> Peter, please follow up on the life guard. JC >> >> >> Shannon, I am going to give you Tina's list to >> follow-up. I will send you the list on a >> private e-mail so there is no confusion. JC >> >> Karma, please call the Pizza places we worked >> on last week (4 of them). JC >> >> This is list one, I will call Simone, Betz, >> john, Diane, Ilene and Gabriella for list 2. >> Then we will be done. I lied, that is after I >> confirm all of our speakers and write the >> agenda!!! to all of you! >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> I love all of you and all of our doggies! >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> Cagdu mailing list >> Cagdu at nfbcal.org >> > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who > knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > From rstigile at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 6 16:03:30 2007 From: rstigile at sbcglobal.net (robert stigile) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:03:30 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] power team Message-ID: <200708062327.l76NRPtk023783@lothlorien.nfbcal.org> Hello Juliet, Well, if you want me to call them again tomorrow, I will. I am thinking it might be best to wait a day. Let me know what you think. Thanks, Robert Stigile > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Juliett Cody" To: Date sent: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:58:06 -0700 >Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team >AHH! Like the hotel! They are trying to ditch us! Just kidding, I would >appreciate it if you would try again later or tomorrow. >Thanks, >Love, >JC >----- Original Message ----- >From: "robert stigile" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:12 PM >Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team >> Hello Juliet, >> I just called all five of my places, and spoke with people, but >> they were not the right ones, so they transfered me, I have left >> messages and hope that I will receive a call back. >> Let me know what else you would like me to do. >> Thanks, >> Robert Stigile >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Juliett Cody" >>To: >>Date sent: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:16:33 -0700 >>>Subject: [Cagdu] power team >>>Hello All, >>>Thanks, for the good meeting last night. As we discussed and >> agreed we must tie- up loose ends and finalized the seminar by >> Thursday August 9th. >>> Below is a list of work that has been delegated and must be >> follow through, so we can successfully finish our project. I >> have privately spoken to all of you about these assignments and >> everyone has agreed to get them done. . Please if something >> comes up and you are unable to follow thru either call or e-mail >> me >>>.. I also want to say I am very thankful and feel privileged to >> have had the opportunity to work with all of you. We are an >> outstanding group of advocates and achievers . There is not a >> doubt that the CAGDU Community believes in their mission, and We >> plan to overcome unnecessary obstacles. >>>List of things that MUST be done: >>>Roger ,- Follow-up on your donation letters, call LIFT (Kathy), >> call Yellow, Courtesy and Coach Taxi as we discussed today. JC >>>Fred, as we discussed, please get started on PR and follow up on >> Pizza Port and new York Pizza JC >>>Pat, join Fred on the PR plan and you and I will discuss the list >> of door prices before Thursday. JC >>>Robert, Tiff, Karma and Luis, please make one more attempt to >> follow up with a phone call to the places on the invitation list >> that you did not connected with. Do not bother with ones that >> you have already have made contact with. Please let me know what >> you come up with. JC >>>Peter, please follow up on the life guard. JC >>>Shannon, I am going to give you Tina's list to follow-up. I >> will send you the list on a private e-mail so there is no >> confusion. JC >>>Karma, please call the Pizza places we worked on last week (4 of >> them). JC >>>This is list one, I will call Simone, Betz, john, Diane, Ilene >> and Gabriella for list 2. Then we will be done. I lied, that >> is after I confirm all of our speakers and write the agenda!!! to >> all of you! >>>Thanks, >>>I love all of you and all of our doggies! >> _______________________________________________ >> Cagdu mailing list >> Cagdu at nfbcal.org >> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >_______________________________________________ >Cagdu mailing list >Cagdu at nfbcal.org >https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu From its_mike at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 6 17:30:18 2007 From: its_mike at sbcglobal.net (Michael Peterson) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:30:18 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Fw: 16839667 Message-ID: <001f01c7d88a$225300e0$6401a8c0@michael> re: 16839667Hi Juliet. I made inquiries with purina concerning donating door prizes for the convention. I am pretty sure we meet their requirements but am not sure I can fill out their online form since I'm not a chapter officer. I can pursue this if you want me to but it might work better if you or one of the officers submit the form. If the site causes any problem I can go retrieve the form and have you just email the information back to me. They say it takes 6 to 8 weeks lead time so we're cutting it close. I know your really involved with the seminar at the moment too so I will keep checking other potential donors as well. God Bless: Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nestl? Purina Info To: its_mike at sbcglobal.net Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: re: 16839667 Thank you for contacting Nestl? Purina PetCare with your donation/sponsorship request. Nestl? Purina PetCare has a rich and proud history of sponsoring many organizations and events on a national level. We are actively involved with organizations in the Greater St. Louis, our world headquarters for pet food, and in the cities where we operate manufacturing facilities. Through our sponsorship efforts, we have partnered with key retailers to gain awareness and interest in our products nationwide. By way of the Purina Pro Club and the Purina Parent Club Partnership, our Company sponsors more than 150 national canine parent club organizations. Additionally, a portion of this support goes to fund educational programs, canine research, canine competitions and breed rescue. Nationwide, Purina supports established animal shelters, rescue groups and foster care organizations with our Pets for People programs. To request a donation and to ask for Purina's support in sponsoring an event, please visit our website, www.purina.com, under the "Our Company" section to review our Company's gift giving and sponsorship guidelines. These guidelines will help you understand the criteria needed to be considered for a donation/sponsorship from Purina. If you feel that you meet the criteria, you are more than welcome to submit a donation/sponsorship request via an online form. From there, we will review your request and will follow up with you regarding your proposal within 6-8 weeks. Please keep in mind that requests do require a lead time of 3-6 months. Should you have additional questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us. Again, thank you for visiting our web site. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070806/01195b06/attachment.html From julietcody at cox.net Mon Aug 6 18:58:48 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:58:48 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Fw: 16839667 References: <001f01c7d88a$225300e0$6401a8c0@michael> Message-ID: <028201c7d896$7ed598d0$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> re: 16839667Hello Michael, If you could just send me the form, it would work best. Thanks, JC and M ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Peterson To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 5:30 PM Subject: [Cagdu] Fw: 16839667 Hi Juliet. I made inquiries with purina concerning donating door prizes for the convention. I am pretty sure we meet their requirements but am not sure I can fill out their online form since I'm not a chapter officer. I can pursue this if you want me to but it might work better if you or one of the officers submit the form. If the site causes any problem I can go retrieve the form and have you just email the information back to me. They say it takes 6 to 8 weeks lead time so we're cutting it close. I know your really involved with the seminar at the moment too so I will keep checking other potential donors as well. God Bless: Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nestl? Purina Info To: its_mike at sbcglobal.net Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: re: 16839667 Thank you for contacting Nestl? Purina PetCare with your donation/sponsorship request. Nestl? Purina PetCare has a rich and proud history of sponsoring many organizations and events on a national level. We are actively involved with organizations in the Greater St. Louis, our world headquarters for pet food, and in the cities where we operate manufacturing facilities. Through our sponsorship efforts, we have partnered with key retailers to gain awareness and interest in our products nationwide. By way of the Purina Pro Club and the Purina Parent Club Partnership, our Company sponsors more than 150 national canine parent club organizations. Additionally, a portion of this support goes to fund educational programs, canine research, canine competitions and breed rescue. Nationwide, Purina supports established animal shelters, rescue groups and foster care organizations with our Pets for People programs. To request a donation and to ask for Purina's support in sponsoring an event, please visit our website, www.purina.com, under the "Our Company" section to review our Company's gift giving and sponsorship guidelines. These guidelines will help you understand the criteria needed to be considered for a donation/sponsorship from Purina. If you feel that you meet the criteria, you are more than welcome to submit a donation/sponsorship request via an online form. From there, we will review your request and will follow up with you regarding your proposal within 6-8 weeks. Please keep in mind that requests do require a lead time of 3-6 months. Should you have additional questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us. 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URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070806/920b15df/attachment.html From julietcody at cox.net Tue Aug 7 09:40:25 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:40:25 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU Assignment List Update References: Message-ID: <005901c7d911$a79c53a0$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> Roger and Orin, Great JOB! Love, JC and M ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Oberholzer To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 5:04 PM Subject: [Cagdu] CAGDU Assignment List Update Hi Juliet and CAGDUers, International Fitness gave us 7 2-week passes as gift for door prices. They originally committed to only 5 such passes, but they reconsidered and really want to support our event. I called Coach Cab and informed them about our meeting and its content. They were non-committal and we will see if they will attend. I will keep you posted on my remaining follow-ups as I continue. Regards to everyone, Roger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070807/d433d0bc/attachment.html From its_mike at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 7 09:21:52 2007 From: its_mike at sbcglobal.net (Michael Peterson) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:21:52 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] donations Message-ID: <002b01c7d90f$12823b10$6401a8c0@michael> Hi Juliet. I don't know how much you see your emails but wanted to make sure I don't confuse you. I have sent you some correspondence between myself and Purina, Greenies and Pet smart so far.. I wasn't sure but sent them personal email rather than cluttering up the list but can in the future send them to the list if that's better. As soon as I have time I will send out some more inquiries to petco and some other places. The purina site does give grants to assist community education projects, but the form gave me problems maybe with jaws it works better I use window-eyes. I ask them if we can contact someone via phone if we aren't able to access the online form properly and forwarded you my correspondence. If you could get a grant to assist in holding training and public assistance seminars that could be very helpful in the future because you could use it to bring in speakers from other affiliates, print and distribute literature, promote the seminars etc. Probably such a grant would be very helpful right about now with the Carlsdad seminar--it could be a great help for the organization if we got one of these grants. Also with a company like Purina such a grant might not be just a one time thing. Like they have with the girl scouts and other community groups they might form a bond or partnership which could be a great help during future years. I'll let you know as well as the list if we get prize donations. God Bless: Mike Peterson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070807/5f92464a/attachment.html From julietcody at cox.net Tue Aug 7 11:30:54 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:30:54 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] donations References: <002b01c7d90f$12823b10$6401a8c0@michael> Message-ID: <008c01c7d921$16ff5990$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> wow! thanks Michael, this is great! JC ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Peterson To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: [Cagdu] donations Hi Juliet. I don't know how much you see your emails but wanted to make sure I don't confuse you. I have sent you some correspondence between myself and Purina, Greenies and Pet smart so far.. I wasn't sure but sent them personal email rather than cluttering up the list but can in the future send them to the list if that's better. As soon as I have time I will send out some more inquiries to petco and some other places. The purina site does give grants to assist community education projects, but the form gave me problems maybe with jaws it works better I use window-eyes. I ask them if we can contact someone via phone if we aren't able to access the online form properly and forwarded you my correspondence. If you could get a grant to assist in holding training and public assistance seminars that could be very helpful in the future because you could use it to bring in speakers from other affiliates, print and distribute literature, promote the seminars etc. Probably such a grant would be very helpful right about now with the Carlsdad seminar--it could be a great help for the organization if we got one of these grants. Also with a company like Purina such a grant might not be just a one time thing. Like they have with the girl scouts and other community groups they might form a bond or partnership which could be a great help during future years. I'll let you know as well as the list if we get prize donations. God Bless: Mike Peterson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070807/728de2eb/attachment.html From snowbird170 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 7 15:22:59 2007 From: snowbird170 at yahoo.com (Karmalynne) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Cagdu] My Assignment Message-ID: <95824.9262.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Guys, This is what's happening on my end. 3 of the 2 Pizza Huts would not help, and the other one says it did not recieve our flier and merchant letter. I am still waiting from the Pizza Shuttle. I called the local libraries. There will be a rep. from Vista, Oceanside, and Escondido. I'm still waiting for Carlsbad. well, that is the story, Morning Glory. Take Care, Karmalynne SKYPE: klrios MSN Messenger:christmaskarma70 at hotmail.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From shannonldillon at hotmail.com Tue Aug 7 16:16:33 2007 From: shannonldillon at hotmail.com (Shannon L. Dillon) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:16:33 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] power team In-Reply-To: <006b01c7d85e$4d91e180$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> Message-ID: Hi Juliet: I don't think I've received Tina's list from you yet. Does that sound right? Just making sure. -Shannon SHANNON L. DILLON >From: "Juliett Cody" >Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >To: >Subject: [Cagdu] power team >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:16:33 -0700 > >Hello All, >Thanks, for the good meeting last night. As we discussed and agreed we must >tie- up loose ends and finalized the seminar by Thursday August 9th. > > Below is a list of work that has been delegated and must be follow >through, so we can successfully finish our project. I have privately spoken >to all of you about these assignments and everyone has agreed to get them >done. . Please if something comes up and you are unable to follow thru >either call or e-mail me > >. I also want to say I am very thankful and feel privileged to have had >the opportunity to work with all of you. We are an outstanding group of >advocates and achievers . There is not a doubt that the CAGDU Community >believes in their mission, and We plan to overcome unnecessary obstacles. > >List of things that MUST be done: >Roger ,- Follow-up on your donation letters, call LIFT (Kathy), call >Yellow, Courtesy and Coach Taxi as we discussed today. JC > >Fred, as we discussed, please get started on PR and follow up on Pizza Port >and new York Pizza JC > >Pat, join Fred on the PR plan and you and I will discuss the list of door >prices before Thursday. JC > >Robert, Tiff, Karma and Luis, please make one more attempt to follow up >with a phone call to the places on the invitation list that you did not >connected with. Do not bother with ones that you have already have made >contact with. Please let me know what you come up with. JC > >Peter, please follow up on the life guard. JC > >Shannon, I am going to give you Tina's list to follow-up. I will send you >the list on a private e-mail so there is no confusion. JC > >Karma, please call the Pizza places we worked on last week (4 of them). JC > >This is list one, I will call Simone, Betz, john, Diane, Ilene and >Gabriella for list 2. Then we will be done. I lied, that is after I >confirm all of our speakers and write the agenda!!! to all of you! > > > > >Thanks, >I love all of you and all of our doggies! > > > >_______________________________________________ >Cagdu mailing list >Cagdu at nfbcal.org >https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _________________________________________________________________ See what you?re getting into?before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 From julietcody at cox.net Tue Aug 7 16:53:52 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:53:52 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] My Assignment References: <95824.9262.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007201c7d94e$35862a10$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> Thank you Karma! A very informative glory, keep up the good work! JC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karmalynne" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: [Cagdu] My Assignment > Hey Guys, > This is what's happening on my end. 3 of the 2 > Pizza Huts would not help, and the other one says > it did not recieve our flier and merchant letter. > I am still waiting from the Pizza Shuttle. > I called the local libraries. There will be a > rep. from Vista, Oceanside, and Escondido. I'm > still waiting for Carlsbad. well, that is the > story, Morning Glory. > Take Care, > Karmalynne > SKYPE: klrios > MSN Messenger:christmaskarma70 at hotmail.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all > the tools to get online. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu From its_mike at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 7 17:08:14 2007 From: its_mike at sbcglobal.net (Michael Peterson) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:08:14 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Application for PETCO Foundation Support Message-ID: <000501c7d950$38124140$6401a8c0@michael> Hi Juliet. I didn't fill this out but it looks promising. I include the copy of the page and the link below. God Bless: Mike Application for Support >From Paul Jolly Animal Welfare Groups Think Adoption First Aquademics Field Trip Factory Event Sponsorships E-Cards Pet Care Info Help Home Application for Support The PETCO Foundation's mission is to support and promote community groups and efforts that help better the lives of our animal companions, while strengthening the relationships between people and their pets. The PETCO Foundation dedicates its programs to serving the Four Rs - Reduce, Rescue, Rehabilitate, Rejoice. We encourage Applications for Support from any 501(c)(3) organization that shares our mission and fulfills one or more of the Four Rs. Organizations should be local and be able to enlist the support of their local PETCO store. The procedure for applying for support is as follows: Complete the PETCO Foundation Application for Support (PDF 21kb) (please be specific and attach any supporting materials you feel will help explain your group or project). If you are a new organization requesting PETCO Foundation support, please complete: W-9 form (PDF 400kb) PETCO Foundation Non-Profit Organization Form (PDF 26kb) Include a copy of your IRS tax exempt determination letter. All applications will be considered, but those chosen to receive support will be limited by funds available and how closely the project or group conforms to fulfilling the mission of the PETCO Foundation. Please send completed applications and accompanying paperwork to: The PETCO Foundation 7262 North Rosemead Boulevard San Gabriel, CA 91775 To request a copy of the PETCO Foundation Form 990 Return of Organization Exempt >From Income Tax, send an email with your name and address to petcofoundation at petco.com . The Director of the PETCO Foundation may be reached by email: petcofoundation at petco.com . PETCO Foundation http://www.petco.com/petco_Page_PC_welfareapplication_Nav_384.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As we discussed and agreed we must >tie- up loose ends and finalized the seminar by Thursday August 9th. > > Below is a list of work that has been delegated and must be follow >through, so we can successfully finish our project. I have privately spoken >to all of you about these assignments and everyone has agreed to get them >done. . Please if something comes up and you are unable to follow thru >either call or e-mail me > >. I also want to say I am very thankful and feel privileged to have had >the opportunity to work with all of you. We are an outstanding group of >advocates and achievers . There is not a doubt that the CAGDU Community >believes in their mission, and We plan to overcome unnecessary obstacles. > >List of things that MUST be done: >Roger ,- Follow-up on your donation letters, call LIFT (Kathy), call >Yellow, Courtesy and Coach Taxi as we discussed today. JC > >Fred, as we discussed, please get started on PR and follow up on Pizza Port >and new York Pizza JC > >Pat, join Fred on the PR plan and you and I will discuss the list of door >prices before Thursday. JC > >Robert, Tiff, Karma and Luis, please make one more attempt to follow up >with a phone call to the places on the invitation list that you did not >connected with. Do not bother with ones that you have already have made >contact with. Please let me know what you come up with. JC > >Peter, please follow up on the life guard. JC > >Shannon, I am going to give you Tina's list to follow-up. I will send you >the list on a private e-mail so there is no confusion. JC > >Karma, please call the Pizza places we worked on last week (4 of them). JC > >This is list one, I will call Simone, Betz, john, Diane, Ilene and >Gabriella for list 2. Then we will be done. I lied, that is after I >confirm all of our speakers and write the agenda!!! to all of you! > > > > >Thanks, >I love all of you and all of our doggies! > > > >_______________________________________________ >Cagdu mailing list >Cagdu at nfbcal.org >https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _________________________________________________________________ See what you're getting into.before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cagdu invitation list Tiff 2.doc Type: application/msword Size: 30720 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070807/fa999258/attachment.doc From ecwogan at aol.com Tue Aug 7 19:16:50 2007 From: ecwogan at aol.com (ecwogan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:16:50 -0400 Subject: [Cagdu] power team In-Reply-To: <03a201c7d952$8d2709c0$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> References: <03a201c7d952$8d2709c0$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> Message-ID: <8C9A7795040FEA4-EC-540B@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com> Juliet, I would like to help her But, I am down here in SB. Would it be hard to do it down here? Please let me know so I can or not? Thanks, Eilleen -----Original Message----- From: Juliett Cody To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team That is right, here it is. If any cagdu er would like to help Shannon let us know. We would appreciate it, she has ten calls instead of five.? THANKS,? JC? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannon L. Dillon" ? To: ? Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:16 PM? Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team? ? Hi Juliet:? ? I don't think I've received Tina's list from you yet. Does that sound? right? Just making sure.? ? -Shannon? ? ? SHANNON L. DILLON? ? ? ? >From: "Juliett Cody" ? >Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org? >To: ? >Subject: [Cagdu] power team? >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:16:33 -0700? >? >Hello All,? >Thanks, for the good meeting last night. As we discussed and agreed we must? >tie- up loose ends and finalized the seminar by Thursday August 9th.? >? > Below is a list of work that has been delegated and must be follow? >through, so we can successfully finish our project. I have privately spoken? >to all of you about these assignments and everyone has agreed to get them? >done. . Please if something comes up and you are unable to follow thru? >either call or e-mail me? >? >. I also want to say I am very thankful and feel privileged to have had? >the opportunity to work with all of you. We are an outstanding group of? >advocates and achievers . There is not a doubt that the CAGDU Community? >believes in their mission, and We plan to overcome unnecessary obstacles.? >? >List of things that MUST be done:? >Roger ,- Follow-up on your donation letters, call LIFT (Kathy), call? >Yellow, Courtesy and Coach Taxi as we discussed today. JC? >? >Fred, as we discussed, please get started on PR and follow up on Pizza Port? >and new York Pizza JC? >? >Pat, join Fred on the PR plan and you and I will discuss the list of door? >prices before Thursday. JC? >? >Robert, Tiff, Karma and Luis, please make one more attempt to follow up? >with a phone call to the places on the invitation list that you did not? >connected with. Do not bother with ones that you have already have made? >contact with. Please let me know what you come up with. JC? >? >Peter, please follow up on the life guard. JC? >? >Shannon, I am going to give you Tina's list to follow-up. I will send you? >the list on a private e-mail so there is no confusion. JC? >? >Karma, please call the Pizza places we worked on last week (4 of them). JC? >? >This is list one, I will call Simone, Betz, john, Diane, Ilene and? >Gabriella for list 2. Then we will be done. I lied, that is after I? >confirm all of our speakers and write the agenda!!! to all of you!? >? >? >? >? >Thanks,? >I love all of you and all of our doggies!? >? >? >? ? >_______________________________________________? >Cagdu mailing list? >Cagdu at nfbcal.org? >https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu? ? _________________________________________________________________? See what you're getting into.before you go there? http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507? ? ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------? ? > _______________________________________________? > Cagdu mailing list? > Cagdu at nfbcal.org? > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu? > _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. =0 From tmanosh at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 7 19:06:26 2007 From: tmanosh at sbcglobal.net (Tiffany Manosh) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Cagdu] power team In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <780703.9866.qm@web83508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Juliet & CAGDu, I just wanted to give an update on my list. I have contact the Universities that I had and I had to leave messages. I will try again tomorrow. Just wated to let you know I am working on it. Tiffany "Shannon L. Dillon" wrote: Hi Juliet: I don't think I've received Tina's list from you yet. Does that sound right? Just making sure. -Shannon SHANNON L. DILLON >From: "Juliett Cody" >Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >To: >Subject: [Cagdu] power team >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:16:33 -0700 > >Hello All, >Thanks, for the good meeting last night. As we discussed and agreed we must >tie- up loose ends and finalized the seminar by Thursday August 9th. > > Below is a list of work that has been delegated and must be follow >through, so we can successfully finish our project. I have privately spoken >to all of you about these assignments and everyone has agreed to get them >done. . Please if something comes up and you are unable to follow thru >either call or e-mail me > >. I also want to say I am very thankful and feel privileged to have had >the opportunity to work with all of you. We are an outstanding group of >advocates and achievers . There is not a doubt that the CAGDU Community >believes in their mission, and We plan to overcome unnecessary obstacles. > >List of things that MUST be done: >Roger ,- Follow-up on your donation letters, call LIFT (Kathy), call >Yellow, Courtesy and Coach Taxi as we discussed today. JC > >Fred, as we discussed, please get started on PR and follow up on Pizza Port >and new York Pizza JC > >Pat, join Fred on the PR plan and you and I will discuss the list of door >prices before Thursday. JC > >Robert, Tiff, Karma and Luis, please make one more attempt to follow up >with a phone call to the places on the invitation list that you did not >connected with. Do not bother with ones that you have already have made >contact with. Please let me know what you come up with. JC > >Peter, please follow up on the life guard. JC > >Shannon, I am going to give you Tina's list to follow-up. I will send you >the list on a private e-mail so there is no confusion. JC > >Karma, please call the Pizza places we worked on last week (4 of them). JC > >This is list one, I will call Simone, Betz, john, Diane, Ilene and >Gabriella for list 2. Then we will be done. I lied, that is after I >confirm all of our speakers and write the agenda!!! to all of you! > > > > >Thanks, >I love all of you and all of our doggies! > > > >_______________________________________________ >Cagdu mailing list >Cagdu at nfbcal.org >https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _________________________________________________________________ See what you?re getting into before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070807/43076ff1/attachment.html From julietcody at cox.net Tue Aug 7 21:02:21 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:02:21 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] power team References: <03a201c7d952$8d2709c0$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> <8C9A7795040FEA4-EC-540B@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00d201c7d970$ebdecc00$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> Hello Elaine, You can do it from SB, you have the long distance on your phone. I will call you. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team > Juliet, > I would like to help her But, I am down here in SB. Would it be hard to > do it down here? Please let me know so I can or not? > Thanks, > Eilleen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Juliett Cody > To: cagdu at nfbcal.org > Sent: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 5:24 pm > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team > > > > > > > That is right, here it is. If any cagdu er would like to help Shannon > let us > know. We would appreciate it, she has ten calls instead of five. > > THANKS, > > JC > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shannon L. Dillon" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team > > > > Hi Juliet: > > > I don't think I've received Tina's list from you yet. Does that sound > > right? Just making sure. > > > -Shannon > > > > > > SHANNON L. DILLON > > > > > > >>From: "Juliett Cody" > >>Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org > >>To: > >>Subject: [Cagdu] power team > >>Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:16:33 -0700 > >> > >>Hello All, > >>Thanks, for the good meeting last night. As we discussed and agreed we > must > >>tie- up loose ends and finalized the seminar by Thursday August 9th. > >> > >> Below is a list of work that has been delegated and must be follow > >>through, so we can successfully finish our project. I have privately > spoken > >>to all of you about these assignments and everyone has agreed to get > them > >>done. . Please if something comes up and you are unable to follow thru > >>either call or e-mail me > >> > >>. I also want to say I am very thankful and feel privileged to have > had > >>the opportunity to work with all of you. We are an outstanding group > of > >>advocates and achievers . There is not a doubt that the CAGDU > Community > >>believes in their mission, and We plan to overcome unnecessary > obstacles. > >> > >>List of things that MUST be done: > >>Roger ,- Follow-up on your donation letters, call LIFT (Kathy), call > >>Yellow, Courtesy and Coach Taxi as we discussed today. JC > >> > >>Fred, as we discussed, please get started on PR and follow up on Pizza > Port > >>and new York Pizza JC > >> > >>Pat, join Fred on the PR plan and you and I will discuss the list of > door > >>prices before Thursday. JC > >> > >>Robert, Tiff, Karma and Luis, please make one more attempt to follow > up > >>with a phone call to the places on the invitation list that you did > not > >>connected with. Do not bother with ones that you have already have > made > >>contact with. Please let me know what you come up with. JC > >> > >>Peter, please follow up on the life guard. JC > >> > >>Shannon, I am going to give you Tina's list to follow-up. I will send > you > >>the list on a private e-mail so there is no confusion. JC > >> > >>Karma, please call the Pizza places we worked on last week (4 of > them). JC > >> > >>This is list one, I will call Simone, Betz, john, Diane, Ilene and > >>Gabriella for list 2. Then we will be done. I lied, that is after I > >>confirm all of our speakers and write the agenda!!! to all of you! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Thanks, > >>I love all of you and all of our doggies! > >> > >> > >> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Cagdu mailing list > >>Cagdu at nfbcal.org > >>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > See what you're getting into.before you go there > > http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cagdu mailing list > >> Cagdu at nfbcal.org > >> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > =0 > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > From julietcody at cox.net Tue Aug 7 21:03:35 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:03:35 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] power team References: <780703.9866.qm@web83508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e501c7d971$17f56b00$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> Good! I appreciate your help. JC ----- Original Message ----- From: Tiffany Manosh To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team Hi Juliet & CAGDu, I just wanted to give an update on my list. I have contact the Universities that I had and I had to leave messages. I will try again tomorrow. Just wated to let you know I am working on it. Tiffany "Shannon L. Dillon" wrote: Hi Juliet: I don't think I've received Tina's list from you yet. Does that sound right? Just making sure. -Shannon SHANNON L. DILLON >From: "Juliett Cody" >Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >To: >Subject: [Cagdu] power team >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:16:33 -0700 > >Hello All, >Thanks, for the good meeting last night. As we discussed and agreed we must >tie- up loose ends and finalized the seminar by Thursday August 9th. > > Below is a list of work that has been delegated and must be follow >through, so we can successfully finish our project. I have privately spoken >to all of you about these assignments and everyone has agreed to get them >done. . Please if something comes up and you are unable to follow thru >either call or e-mail me > >. I also want to say I am very thankful and feel privileged to have had >the opportunity to work with all of you. We are an outstanding group of >advocates and achievers . There is not a doubt that the CAGDU Community >believes in their mission, and We plan to overcome unnecessary obstacles. > >List of things that MUST be done: >Roger ,- Follow-up on your donation letters, call LIFT (Kathy), call >Yellow, Courtesy and Coach Taxi as we discussed today. JC > >Fred, as we discussed, please get started on PR and follow up on Pizza Port >and new York Pizza JC > >Pat, join Fred on the PR plan and you and I will discuss the list of door >prices before Thursday. JC > >Robert, Tiff, Karma and Luis, please make one more attempt to follow up >with a phone call to the places on the invitation list that you did not >connected with. Do not bother with ones that you have already have made >contact with. Please let me know what you come up with. JC > >Peter, please follow up on the life guard. JC > >Shannon, I am going to give you Tina's list to follow-up. I will send you >the list on a private e-mail so there is no confusion. JC > >Karma, please call the Pizza places we worked on last week (4 of them). JC > >This is list one, I will call Simone, Betz, john, Diane, Ilene and >Gabriella for list 2. Then we will be done. I lied, that is after I >confirm all of our speakers and write the agenda!!! to all of you! > > > > >Thanks, >I love all of you and all of our doggies! > > > >_______________________________________________ >Cagdu mailing list >Cagdu at nfbcal.org >https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _________________________________________________________________ See what you're getting into.before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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DILLON >From: "Juliett Cody" >Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >To: >Subject: [Cagdu] Shannon calls >Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:20:20 -0700 > >Hi Shannon, >I got you some help, so just call the first five places. > >JC >_______________________________________________ >Cagdu mailing list >Cagdu at nfbcal.org >https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Caf? ? open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline From ecwogan at aol.com Wed Aug 8 19:04:46 2007 From: ecwogan at aol.com (ecwogan at aol.com) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:04:46 -0400 Subject: [Cagdu] power team In-Reply-To: <00d201c7d970$ebdecc00$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> References: <03a201c7d952$8d2709c0$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> <8C9A7795040FEA4-EC-540B@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com> <00d201c7d970$ebdecc00$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> Message-ID: <8C9A840CB453338-A3C-A2E9@FWM-D04.sysops.aol.com> Juliet, I called the numbers on the list and two of the numbers were disconnected. I will try to call and not give up on this. I will keep you informed on this. Can't wait to see you next week. When you start leaving SB towards Goleta give us a call and we will have a cab waiting for you at the train station. Have a great day. J and family -----Original Message----- From: Juliett Cody To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 9:02 pm Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team Hello Elaine, You can do it from SB, you have the long distance on your phone. I will call you. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team > Juliet, > I would like to help her But, I am down here in SB. Would it be hard to > do it down here? Please let me know so I can or not? > Thanks, > Eilleen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Juliett Cody > To: cagdu at nfbcal.org > Sent: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 5:24 pm > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team > > > > > > > That is right, here it is. If any cagdu er would like to help Shannon > let us > know. We would appreciate it, she has ten calls instead of five. > > THANKS, > > JC > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shannon L. Dillon" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team > > > > Hi Juliet: > > > I don't think I've received Tina's list from you yet. Does that sound > > right? Just making sure. > > > -Shannon > > > > > > SHANNON L. DILLON > > > > > > >>From: "Juliett Cody" > >>Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org > >>To: > >>Subject: [Cagdu] power team > >>Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:16:33 -0700 > >> > >>Hello All, > >>Thanks, for the good meeting last night. As we discussed and agreed we > must > >>tie- up loose ends and finalized the seminar by Thursday August 9th. > >> > >> Below is a list of work that has been delegated and must be follow > >>through, so we can successfully finish our project. I have privately > spoken > >>to all of you about these assignments and everyone has agreed to get > them > >>done. . Please if something comes up and you are unable to follow thru > >>either call or e-mail me > >> > >>. I also want to say I am very thankful and feel privileged to have > had > >>the opportunity to work with all of you. We are an outstanding group > of > >>advocates and achievers . There is not a doubt that the CAGDU > Community > >>believes in their mission, and We plan to overcome unnecessary > obstacles. > >> > >>List of things that MUST be done: > >>Roger ,- Follow-up on your donation letters, call LIFT (Kathy), call > >>Yellow, Courtesy and Coach Taxi as we discussed today. JC > >> > >>Fred, as we discussed, please get started on PR and follow up on Pizza > Port > >>and new York Pizza JC > >> > >>Pat, join Fred on the PR plan and you and I will discuss the list of > door > >>prices before Thursday. JC > >> > >>Robert, Tiff, Karma and Luis, please make one more attempt to follow > up > >>with a phone call to the places on the invitation list that you did > not > >>connected with. Do not bother with ones that you have already have > made > >>contact with. Please let me know what you come up with. JC > >> > >>Peter, please follow up on the life guard. JC > >> > >>Shannon, I am going to give you Tina's list to follow-up. I will send > you > >>the list on a private e-mail so there is no confusion. JC > >> > >>Karma, please call the Pizza places we worked on last week (4 of > them). JC > >> > >>This is list one, I will call Simone, Betz, john, Diane, Ilene and > >>Gabriella for list 2. Then we will be done. I lied, that is after I > >>confirm all of our speakers and write the agenda!!! to all of you! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Thanks, > >>I love all of you and all of our doggies! > >> > >> > >> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Cagdu mailing list > >>Cagdu at nfbcal.org > >>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > See what you're getting into.before you go there > > http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cagdu mailing list > >> Cagdu at nfbcal.org > >> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > =0 > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From julietcody at cox.net Thu Aug 9 11:03:40 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:03:40 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Seminar Upddate Message-ID: <00e101c7daaf$9e0e2e90$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> Hello CAGDU Community: I have confirmed all of the speakers. We have the door prizes, raffle and food. I have found sighted volunteers to pick up the pizzas. We have coordinated the sitting arrangement and the person to do it, and a thousand other things are done. However, we are NOT done yet. Below is the check list. Assignments to be completed: Juliet needs to do the agenda. The CAGDU ERS who have a calling list. please continue to work with them. Try to make contact. We found a few high schools that had not received the info., I e-mailed the flyer to them, and I am pleased to say I had positive responses. Please remember if they have not gotten our flyer, get either the fax number or the e-mail address, so we can take care of them ASAP. Please those of us that are doing Pr let me know what is going on. For the record the Times Advocate has been taking care of. I will be continuing this report with a second e-mail, immediately following . Please pay close attention it is very important. Thanks, JOCK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(That is after trying to go over there one more time, and calling one last try.) Some advocates have suggested that after the seminar if we do not get cooperation from the taxi industry, we can begin making public statements as to, " Why it is important to us to educate the industry, and We did invite them to our event. However, they did not give us much importance, or something like that. Also that they refused to work with us. Here in North County San Diego, we have not had any problems yet, but in other parts of San Diego, we have. What do you handlers or supporters think. Is this something we want to have a short conference call about or should we play it as suggested above? We have a little time yet, but we need to move fast. Please feel free to circulate this e-mail if anyone thinks it would help. At your service, Juliet Cody, President , California Association of Guide Dog Users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I will call Cathy from LIFT one more time (as soon as the agenda is ready) and inform her when NCTD is speaking. I have a feeling that she would consider being there to hear Elaine, but would want to leave after that speaker. I will keep you all posted. Regards, Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070809/4fa42a0e/attachment.html From shannonldillon at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 14:03:03 2007 From: shannonldillon at hotmail.com (Shannon L. Dillon) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:03:03 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] power team In-Reply-To: <03a201c7d952$8d2709c0$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> Message-ID: Hi CAGDUers: I called my list of people. I didn't get the feeling they'd received information from us, but I didn't get to talk to many people directly. I got 1 fax number to send information to. Juliet, I left it on your cell phone. The rest of my calls were less than exciting. One isn't sure what a disability resource department is but says if they have one it is at the main campus which is in the 818 area code. I got the number but I think that is L.A, so do you think it is likely they'd come down at such short notice? A couple of the colleges I called I went through a number of transfers before ending up on someone's voice-mail. I left contact information and information about the seminar this weekend. I also got an actual person who wanted my contact information and her boss will get back with me when he gets in. I can try that college tomorrow if he doesn't call me back. I guess the good thing is we're developing contact information for next year. SHANNON L. DILLON >From: "Juliett Cody" >Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >To: >Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team >Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:24:57 -0700 > >That is right, here it is. If any cagdu er would like to help Shannon let >us know. We would appreciate it, she has ten calls instead of five. >THANKS, >JC > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannon L. Dillon" > >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:16 PM >Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team > > >Hi Juliet: > >I don't think I've received Tina's list from you yet. Does that sound >right? Just making sure. > >-Shannon > > > > >SHANNON L. DILLON > > > > > >>From: "Juliett Cody" >>Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >>To: >>Subject: [Cagdu] power team >>Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:16:33 -0700 >> >>Hello All, >>Thanks, for the good meeting last night. As we discussed and agreed we >>must >>tie- up loose ends and finalized the seminar by Thursday August 9th. >> >> Below is a list of work that has been delegated and must be follow >>through, so we can successfully finish our project. I have privately >>spoken >>to all of you about these assignments and everyone has agreed to get them >>done. . Please if something comes up and you are unable to follow thru >>either call or e-mail me >> >>. I also want to say I am very thankful and feel privileged to have had >>the opportunity to work with all of you. We are an outstanding group of >>advocates and achievers . There is not a doubt that the CAGDU Community >>believes in their mission, and We plan to overcome unnecessary >>obstacles. >> >>List of things that MUST be done: >>Roger ,- Follow-up on your donation letters, call LIFT (Kathy), call >>Yellow, Courtesy and Coach Taxi as we discussed today. JC >> >>Fred, as we discussed, please get started on PR and follow up on Pizza >>Port >>and new York Pizza JC >> >>Pat, join Fred on the PR plan and you and I will discuss the list of door >>prices before Thursday. JC >> >>Robert, Tiff, Karma and Luis, please make one more attempt to follow up >>with a phone call to the places on the invitation list that you did not >>connected with. Do not bother with ones that you have already have made >>contact with. Please let me know what you come up with. JC >> >>Peter, please follow up on the life guard. JC >> >>Shannon, I am going to give you Tina's list to follow-up. I will send you >>the list on a private e-mail so there is no confusion. JC >> >>Karma, please call the Pizza places we worked on last week (4 of them). >>JC >> >>This is list one, I will call Simone, Betz, john, Diane, Ilene and >>Gabriella for list 2. Then we will be done. I lied, that is after I >>confirm all of our speakers and write the agenda!!! to all of you! >> >> >> >> >>Thanks, >>I love all of you and all of our doggies! >> >> >> > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Cagdu mailing list >>Cagdu at nfbcal.org >>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > >_________________________________________________________________ >See what you're getting into.before you go there >http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Cagdu mailing list >>Cagdu at nfbcal.org >>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >> ><< cagduinvitationlistTiff2.doc >> >_______________________________________________ >Cagdu mailing list >Cagdu at nfbcal.org >https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Caf? ? open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline From rstigile at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 9 15:15:12 2007 From: rstigile at sbcglobal.net (robert stigile) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:15:12 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] taxis Message-ID: <200708092212.l79MCFZK002288@lothlorien.nfbcal.org> Hello Juliet, I think you should handle it as you mentioned in the beginning. If they don't show, and you try to go by and call one more time, then after the seminar do a story with the paper. Keep us informed. Keep up the great work, Robert Stigile > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Juliett Cody" To: Date sent: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:51:28 -0700 >Subject: [Cagdu] taxis >Dear CAGDU Community and all concerned: > We have not been able to get a commitment with the taxi companies. Dispatching, keeps telling me that they are leaving a message with the big boss, and he/she is not responding. I had someone go by one of the offices, and they said that the big boss was not in. Peter Mansell V. P. of CAGDU, contacted the Access center. although, they could not attend the seminar, they called me. They now are very aware of the problem, and they will support us . The newspaper want a story. Should we leave it alone for now? We could come foward after our seminar. I believe that then we will be better informed as to what to do. (That is after trying to go over there one more time, and calling one last try.) Some advocates have suggested that after the seminar if we do not get cooperation from the taxi industry, we can begin making public statements as to, " Why it is important to us to educate the industry, and We did invite them to our event. However, they did not give us much importance, or something like that. Also that they refused to work with us. Here in North County San Diego, we have not had any problems yet, but in other parts of San Diego, we have. What do you handlers or supporters think. Is this something we want to have a short conference call about or should we play it as suggested above? We have a little time yet, but we need to move fast. Please feel free to circulate this e-mail if anyone thinks it would help. >At your service, >Juliet Cody, >President , California Association of Guide Dog Users From ecwogan at aol.com Thu Aug 9 15:15:45 2007 From: ecwogan at aol.com (ecwogan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:15:45 -0400 Subject: [Cagdu] Anything else for me to do Message-ID: <8C9A8E9F7498A54-B7C-1188@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> Sunshine, I was wondering if there is anything else you would like me to do? I hoped the info helps that I gave you this morning. I don't mind any more assignments thay you give me to help you out. Please let me know? J and family ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From julietcody at cox.net Thu Aug 9 15:50:10 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:50:10 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] power team References: Message-ID: <016701c7dad7$a3e5f910$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> Hi Shannon, Hi Shannon, No do not bother with that. They are out of the area. I can not believe they did not know what a disability resource is. Just that alone lets us know how urgent our work is for all. I will check the attachment and get back to you Thanks for following up with calls. JC and M Original Message ----- From: "Shannon L. Dillon" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team Hi CAGDUers: I called my list of people. I didn't get the feeling they'd received information from us, but I didn't get to talk to many people directly. I got 1 fax number to send information to. Juliet, I left it on your cell phone. The rest of my calls were less than exciting. One isn't sure what a disability resource department is but says if they have one it is at the main campus which is in the 818 area code. I got the number but I think that is L.A, so do you think it is likely they'd come down at such short notice? A couple of the colleges I called I went through a number of transfers before ending up on someone's voice-mail. I left contact information and information about the seminar this weekend. I also got an actual person who wanted my contact information and her boss will get back with me when he gets in. I can try that college tomorrow if he doesn't call me back. I guess the good thing is we're developing contact information for next year. SHANNON L. DILLON >From: "Juliett Cody" >Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >To: >Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team >Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:24:57 -0700 > >That is right, here it is. If any cagdu er would like to help Shannon let >us know. We would appreciate it, she has ten calls instead of five. >THANKS, >JC > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannon L. Dillon" > >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:16 PM >Subject: Re: [Cagdu] power team > > >Hi Juliet: > >I don't think I've received Tina's list from you yet. Does that sound >right? Just making sure. > >-Shannon > > > > >SHANNON L. DILLON > > > > > >>From: "Juliett Cody" >>Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >>To: >>Subject: [Cagdu] power team >>Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:16:33 -0700 >> >>Hello All, >>Thanks, for the good meeting last night. As we discussed and agreed we >>must >>tie- up loose ends and finalized the seminar by Thursday August 9th. >> >> Below is a list of work that has been delegated and must be follow >>through, so we can successfully finish our project. I have privately >>spoken >>to all of you about these assignments and everyone has agreed to get them >>done. . Please if something comes up and you are unable to follow thru >>either call or e-mail me >> >>. I also want to say I am very thankful and feel privileged to have had >>the opportunity to work with all of you. We are an outstanding group of >>advocates and achievers . There is not a doubt that the CAGDU Community >>believes in their mission, and We plan to overcome unnecessary >>obstacles. >> >>List of things that MUST be done: >>Roger ,- Follow-up on your donation letters, call LIFT (Kathy), call >>Yellow, Courtesy and Coach Taxi as we discussed today. JC >> >>Fred, as we discussed, please get started on PR and follow up on Pizza >>Port >>and new York Pizza JC >> >>Pat, join Fred on the PR plan and you and I will discuss the list of door >>prices before Thursday. JC >> >>Robert, Tiff, Karma and Luis, please make one more attempt to follow up >>with a phone call to the places on the invitation list that you did not >>connected with. Do not bother with ones that you have already have made >>contact with. Please let me know what you come up with. JC >> >>Peter, please follow up on the life guard. JC >> >>Shannon, I am going to give you Tina's list to follow-up. I will send you >>the list on a private e-mail so there is no confusion. JC >> >>Karma, please call the Pizza places we worked on last week (4 of them). >>JC >> >>This is list one, I will call Simone, Betz, john, Diane, Ilene and >>Gabriella for list 2. Then we will be done. I lied, that is after I >>confirm all of our speakers and write the agenda!!! to all of you! >> >> >> >> >>Thanks, >>I love all of you and all of our doggies! >> >> >> > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Cagdu mailing list >>Cagdu at nfbcal.org >>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > >_________________________________________________________________ >See what you're getting into.before you go there >http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Cagdu mailing list >>Cagdu at nfbcal.org >>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >> ><< cagduinvitationlistTiff2.doc >> >_______________________________________________ >Cagdu mailing list >Cagdu at nfbcal.org >https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Caf? - open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > From julietcody at cox.net Thu Aug 9 16:13:07 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:13:07 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Cab Companies and LIFT References: Message-ID: <023901c7dada$d8f63bd0$11846f44@user1b3ecca35d> Hi Roger, Great, between the two of us they have had about twelve invitations. Just keeping track for the newspaper article. Thanks, JC and M ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Oberholzer To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: [Cagdu] Cab Companies and LIFT Hi Juliet and CAGDUers, I called Shana again and let her know that it would be important that the owner (Toni) would attend our seminar. She mentioned that she would attend, but that she had plans to go camping this weekend. We will see if Coach Cab will be present. I think they are still non-committal and I have a feeling that Toni will dispatch since Shana is gone, but anyway . I also talked to John (the dispatcher) at Courtesy Cab and informed him of the importance of this seminar and that Courtesy Cab's presence would be greatly appreciated. He told me that he will inform the owner/owners. No commitment there either. I will call Cathy from LIFT one more time (as soon as the agenda is ready) and inform her when NCTD is speaking. I have a feeling that she would consider being there to hear Elaine, but would want to leave after that speaker. I will keep you all posted. Regards, Roger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070809/c7b92ff4/attachment.html From julietcody at cox.net Mon Aug 13 20:14:37 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:14:37 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Lets keep it up Message-ID: <026e01c7de21$3ee60ee0$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> Hello CAGDU Community: The seminar was a huge success! Here is what we accomplished: *WE Educated a few folks. * We discussed our concerns with the transit ADA coordinator. * We discussed our concerns with the San Diego lifeguards. *WE discussed our concerns with the Carlsbad Police code enforcements. Most importantly, we brought the ADA to life with our cry. The North County Times heard us and put it all in print. Below is our Article read it: Sunday, August 12, 2007 Last modified Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:02 AM PDT (Photo caption) >From left, guide dog users Gail Paulson, with her dog Alton, Peter Mansell, with Aerie, Juliet Cody, President of the California Association of Guide Dog Users, and Robert Stigile, President of the National Federation of the Blind of California, with Wonder, stroll down the boardwalk in Carlsbad Saturday. ---------- www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/08/12/news/coastal/23_33_058_11_07.txt North County guide dog users say there's a problem with cabs By: DARRYN BENNETT - For the North County Times CARLSBAD ---- Things heated up at the California Association of Guide Dog Users' first annual seminar Saturday when association President Juliet Cody opened a discussion about equal access to taxicabs. Several people at the seminar in Heritage Hall at Carlsbad's Magee Park spoke about difficulties they have experienced when trying to get a cab ride with their guide dog. They said they are often discriminated against and refused service because they need a service animal to ride with them. "This is a growing problem in North County and across the nation," Cody said. "We're asking for the community to help us solve this." The American with Disabilities Act of 1990 prohibits taxicab operators from refusing service or charging higher fares to people traveling with guide dogs. Cody said the problem stems from the fact that many cabs are independently operated by drivers who don't understand the law. "We've heard every excuse from 'I'm allergic to dogs' to 'It's against my religion to have dogs in a car,' " Cody said. According to the ADA, guide dogs can only be excluded from a place of business, including a cab, if the dog poses a direct safety threat. Brandon Christianson of North County said he can't even hail down a cab with his guide dog Patriot. "I want to get 'Dateline' with their hidden camera out there or something so everyone can see how we're treated," he said. Cody said she invited representatives from Yellow Cab of North County, Coach Cab in Oceanside and Courtesy Cab in Vista ---- local companies association members said employ drivers who have refused to let guide dogs in their cabs ---- but no one showed up. "Members called as many as 12 times," she said, "but no one even called us back." Yellow Cab representatives couldn't be reached for comment Saturday, but Mike, a dispatcher who preferred to not give his last name, said although he didn't know of an official company policy, he was "pretty sure it's illegal to not let them (guide dogs) ride." John McPherson, a dispatcher for Courtesy Cab, said he had heard about the invitation to the seminar, but no one from the company was able to make it on short notice. "I can't think of any reason a driver wouldn't let a dog ride unless it was wet and dirty or something," he said. "But 100 percent, if I knew a blind person with a dog needed a cab, I'd find someone to pick them up." McPherson, who also didn't know if his company had an official guide dog policy, said Courtesy Cab's owner wouldn't be available for comment until Monday. A Coach Cab employee who declined to give his name said he found it "difficult to believe" anyone had been refused service from drivers with the company. He said the owner wouldn't be available for comment until Monday, but that the company is somehow contracted with the ADA to provide service to people with disabilities. "We pick up people with guide dogs every day," he said. The free seminar also included discussions of other concerns for guide dog owners, a presentation on beach safety from a San Diego lifeguard and an update on North County transit issues for people with disabilities. It concluded with a walk along the boardwalk near the beach. Comments On This Story Note: Comments reflect the views of readers and not necessarily those of the North County Times or its staff. Paul wrote on Aug 12, 2007 8:44 AM: " They need to hire that lawyer that is so litigious and sues businesses. But he won't take up that cause as there is not enough money in it for him. " Hey!! wrote on Aug 12, 2007 9:26 AM: " Get Pinnock! He can claim to take every cab in Oceanside and it 'ruined his weekend'!! Reminds me of a long time back when Chin's refused folks with guide dogs and I still think of that every time I see their sign. " Not just cabs wrote on Aug 12, 2007 12:51 PM: " Blind and visually impaired are discriminated in more places than taxi cabs. Restaurants are DARK - you have to carry a flashlight to find your way or maybe read a menu? NONE have large print menus. Stores allow obstacles on the floor, never picking up toys or clothes that inconsiderate kids/families toss there. Neighbors ignore neighbors who could use a ride (and can't afford a taxi), and others are just plain RUDE if a blind person walks slowly or asks a question. Many YELL at blind people thinking they are dumb and can't HEAR. All of you that are able bodied, getdown on your knees and give thanks! " Paul wrote on Aug 12, 2007 1:29 PM: " To not just cabs -- I am handicap, BUT I do not have a huge chip on my shoulder. GET A LIFE! " to Not just cabs... wrote on Aug 12, 2007 4:51 PM: " if someone cannot afford a taxi why is it all of a sudden my duty to become a personal chauffer? I walked/rode a bicycle for a few years before I got a car... big deal! GET A LIFE INDEED! not being able to afford a taxi has NOTHING to do with this article... " Add Your Comments or Letter to the Editor __._,_.___ Messages in this topic Reply (via web post) | This is Juliet's message to all of you: Here is what we need to make happen. In the seminar last Saturday we only got the ball rolling. I would like to see every guide/handler team up and down the state who has had a problem to call their local newspaper and give the newspaper the story. Tell them about the problems you have experienced in other states, if we get enough releases the awareness may travel across the nation! Please circulate this article and do your part. Post on the CAGDU List your support and your advocacy contribution, LETS KEEP IT UP!!! Thank you, Juliet and Marly Cody -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070813/b5b5bcd2/attachment.html From tmanosh at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 14 07:47:05 2007 From: tmanosh at sbcglobal.net (Tiffany Manosh) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Cagdu] Lets keep it up In-Reply-To: <026e01c7de21$3ee60ee0$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> Message-ID: <138726.55831.qm@web83505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Juliet & CAGDU Community, Great Job! I heard the seminar was a success and I am thrilled. There was a lot of work put into this and I am so glad it went well! I think the article was well done. Keep up the good work! Tiffany Juliett Cody wrote: Hello CAGDU Community: The seminar was a huge success! Here is what we accomplished: *WE Educated a few folks. * We discussed our concerns with the transit ADA coordinator. * We discussed our concerns with the San Diego lifeguards. *WE discussed our concerns with the Carlsbad Police code enforcements. Most importantly, we brought the ADA to life with our cry. The North County Times heard us and put it all in print. Below is our Article read it: Sunday, August 12, 2007 Last modified Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:02 AM PDT (Photo caption) >From left, guide dog users Gail Paulson, with her dog Alton, Peter Mansell, with Aerie, Juliet Cody, President of the California Association of Guide Dog Users, and Robert Stigile, President of the National Federation of the Blind of California, with Wonder, stroll down the boardwalk in Carlsbad Saturday. ---------- www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/08/12/news/coastal/23_33_058_11_07.txt North County guide dog users say there's a problem with cabs By: DARRYN BENNETT - For the North County Times CARLSBAD ---- Things heated up at the California Association of Guide Dog Users' first annual seminar Saturday when association President Juliet Cody opened a discussion about equal access to taxicabs. Several people at the seminar in Heritage Hall at Carlsbad's Magee Park spoke about difficulties they have experienced when trying to get a cab ride with their guide dog. They said they are often discriminated against and refused service because they need a service animal to ride with them. "This is a growing problem in North County and across the nation," Cody said. "We're asking for the community to help us solve this." The American with Disabilities Act of 1990 prohibits taxicab operators from refusing service or charging higher fares to people traveling with guide dogs. Cody said the problem stems from the fact that many cabs are independently operated by drivers who don't understand the law. "We've heard every excuse from 'I'm allergic to dogs' to 'It's against my religion to have dogs in a car,' " Cody said. According to the ADA, guide dogs can only be excluded from a place of business, including a cab, if the dog poses a direct safety threat. Brandon Christianson of North County said he can't even hail down a cab with his guide dog Patriot. "I want to get 'Dateline' with their hidden camera out there or something so everyone can see how we're treated," he said. Cody said she invited representatives from Yellow Cab of North County, Coach Cab in Oceanside and Courtesy Cab in Vista ---- local companies association members said employ drivers who have refused to let guide dogs in their cabs ---- but no one showed up. "Members called as many as 12 times," she said, "but no one even called us back." Yellow Cab representatives couldn't be reached for comment Saturday, but Mike, a dispatcher who preferred to not give his last name, said although he didn't know of an official company policy, he was "pretty sure it's illegal to not let them (guide dogs) ride." John McPherson, a dispatcher for Courtesy Cab, said he had heard about the invitation to the seminar, but no one from the company was able to make it on short notice. "I can't think of any reason a driver wouldn't let a dog ride unless it was wet and dirty or something," he said. "But 100 percent, if I knew a blind person with a dog needed a cab, I'd find someone to pick them up." McPherson, who also didn't know if his company had an official guide dog policy, said Courtesy Cab's owner wouldn't be available for comment until Monday. A Coach Cab employee who declined to give his name said he found it "difficult to believe" anyone had been refused service from drivers with the company. He said the owner wouldn't be available for comment until Monday, but that the company is somehow contracted with the ADA to provide service to people with disabilities. "We pick up people with guide dogs every day," he said. The free seminar also included discussions of other concerns for guide dog owners, a presentation on beach safety from a San Diego lifeguard and an update on North County transit issues for people with disabilities. It concluded with a walk along the boardwalk near the beach. Comments On This Story Note: Comments reflect the views of readers and not necessarily those of the North County Times or its staff. Paul wrote on Aug 12, 2007 8:44 AM: " They need to hire that lawyer that is so litigious and sues businesses. But he won't take up that cause as there is not enough money in it for him. " Hey!! wrote on Aug 12, 2007 9:26 AM: " Get Pinnock! He can claim to take every cab in Oceanside and it 'ruined his weekend'!! Reminds me of a long time back when Chin's refused folks with guide dogs and I still think of that every time I see their sign. " Not just cabs wrote on Aug 12, 2007 12:51 PM: " Blind and visually impaired are discriminated in more places than taxi cabs. Restaurants are DARK - you have to carry a flashlight to find your way or maybe read a menu? NONE have large print menus. Stores allow obstacles on the floor, never picking up toys or clothes that inconsiderate kids/families toss there. Neighbors ignore neighbors who could use a ride (and can't afford a taxi), and others are just plain RUDE if a blind person walks slowly or asks a question. Many YELL at blind people thinking they are dumb and can't HEAR. All of you that are able bodied, getdown on your knees and give thanks! " Paul wrote on Aug 12, 2007 1:29 PM: " To not just cabs -- I am handicap, BUT I do not have a huge chip on my shoulder. GET A LIFE! " to Not just cabs... wrote on Aug 12, 2007 4:51 PM: " if someone cannot afford a taxi why is it all of a sudden my duty to become a personal chauffer? I walked/rode a bicycle for a few years before I got a car... big deal! GET A LIFE INDEED! not being able to afford a taxi has NOTHING to do with this article... " Add Your Comments or Letter to the Editor __._,_.___ Messages in this topic Reply (via web post) | This is Juliet's message to all of you: Here is what we need to make happen. In the seminar last Saturday we only got the ball rolling. I would like to see every guide/handler team up and down the state who has had a problem to call their local newspaper and give the newspaper the story. Tell them about the problems you have experienced in other states, if we get enough releases the awareness may travel across the nation! Please circulate this article and do your part. Post on the CAGDU List your support and your advocacy contribution, LETS KEEP IT UP!!! Thank you, Juliet and Marly Cody _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070814/31ee7e4b/attachment.html From julietcody at cox.net Tue Aug 14 10:02:21 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:02:21 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Lets keep it up References: <026e01c7de21$3ee60ee0$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> <7F0337C8-5E15-41B7-B3FE-C5D8EDC61754@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001c01c7de94$e0fcabd0$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> Yes Fred, I agree, however I have received other pictures from the photographer and I will send them to you. We can get them on the internet, at least . What I am going to do is put them on the CAGDU List serve. Then we can run with them. There is one rule, we must credit the photographer. Thanks, JC and M ----- Original Message ----- From: fred chambers To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] Lets keep it up I can't believe they left Marly's name out of the phot caption! And it is too bad that another bunch of walkers and dogs got left out of the photo shoot. Fred www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/08/12/news/coastal/23_33_058_11_07.txt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070814/0ad88ae9/attachment.html From julietcody at cox.net Tue Aug 14 10:12:14 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:12:14 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Lets keep it up References: <138726.55831.qm@web83505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005201c7de96$42d56350$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> Thanks Tiff, Our job is not done yet. The taxi companies have come out of the wood work this morning. This was our intent, I have already left a phone message to the state president. The rest of us must move quickly and voice your complaints publicly, immediately. Get to your newspaper reporter while it is hot. At your service, JC and M ----- Original Message ----- From: Tiffany Manosh To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] Lets keep it up Hi Juliet & CAGDU Community, Great Job! I heard the seminar was a success and I am thrilled. There was a lot of work put into this and I am so glad it went well! I think the article was well done. Keep up the good work! Tiffany Juliett Cody wrote: Hello CAGDU Community: The seminar was a huge success! Here is what we accomplished: *WE Educated a few folks. * We discussed our concerns with the transit ADA coordinator. * We discussed our concerns with the San Diego lifeguards. *WE discussed our concerns with the Carlsbad Police code enforcements. Most importantly, we brought the ADA to life with our cry. The North County Times heard us and put it all in print. Below is our Article read it: Sunday, August 12, 2007 Last modified Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:02 AM PDT (Photo caption) From left, guide dog users Gail Paulson, with her dog Alton, Peter Mansell, with Aerie, Juliet Cody, President of the California Association of Guide Dog Users, and Robert Stigile, President of the National Federation of the Blind of California, with Wonder, stroll down the boardwalk in Carlsbad Saturday. ---------- www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/08/12/news/coastal/23_33_058_11_07.txt North County guide dog users say there's a problem with cabs By: DARRYN BENNETT - For the North County Times CARLSBAD ---- Things heated up at the California Association of Guide Dog Users' first annual seminar Saturday when association President Juliet Cody opened a discussion about equal access to taxicabs. Several people at the seminar in Heritage Hall at Carlsbad's Magee Park spoke about difficulties they have experienced when trying to get a cab ride with their guide dog. They said they are often discriminated against and refused service because they need a service animal to ride with them. "This is a growing problem in North County and across the nation," Cody said. "We're asking for the community to help us solve this." The American with Disabilities Act of 1990 prohibits taxicab operators from refusing service or charging higher fares to people traveling with guide dogs. Cody said the problem stems from the fact that many cabs are independently operated by drivers who don't understand the law. "We've heard every excuse from 'I'm allergic to dogs' to 'It's against my religion to have dogs in a car,' " Cody said. According to the ADA, guide dogs can only be excluded from a place of business, including a cab, if the dog poses a direct safety threat. Brandon Christianson of North County said he can't even hail down a cab with his guide dog Patriot. "I want to get 'Dateline' with their hidden camera out there or something so everyone can see how we're treated," he said. Cody said she invited representatives from Yellow Cab of North County, Coach Cab in Oceanside and Courtesy Cab in Vista ---- local companies association members said employ drivers who have refused to let guide dogs in their cabs ---- but no one showed up. "Members called as many as 12 times," she said, "but no one even called us back." Yellow Cab representatives couldn't be reached for comment Saturday, but Mike, a dispatcher who preferred to not give his last name, said although he didn't know of an official company policy, he was "pretty sure it's illegal to not let them (guide dogs) ride." John McPherson, a dispatcher for Courtesy Cab, said he had heard about the invitation to the seminar, but no one from the company was able to make it on short notice. "I can't think of any reason a driver wouldn't let a dog ride unless it was wet and dirty or something," he said. "But 100 percent, if I knew a blind person with a dog needed a cab, I'd find someone to pick them up." McPherson, who also didn't know if his company had an official guide dog policy, said Courtesy Cab's owner wouldn't be available for comment until Monday. A Coach Cab employee who declined to give his name said he found it "difficult to believe" anyone had been refused service from drivers with the company. He said the owner wouldn't be available for comment until Monday, but that the company is somehow contracted with the ADA to provide service to people with disabilities. "We pick up people with guide dogs every day," he said. The free seminar also included discussions of other concerns for guide dog owners, a presentation on beach safety from a San Diego lifeguard and an update on North County transit issues for people with disabilities. It concluded with a walk along the boardwalk near the beach. Comments On This Story Note: Comments reflect the views of readers and not necessarily those of the North County Times or its staff. Paul wrote on Aug 12, 2007 8:44 AM: " They need to hire that lawyer that is so litigious and sues businesses. But he won't take up that cause as there is not enough money in it for him. " Hey!! wrote on Aug 12, 2007 9:26 AM: " Get Pinnock! He can claim to take every cab in Oceanside and it 'ruined his weekend'!! Reminds me of a long time back when Chin's refused folks with guide dogs and I still think of that every time I see their sign. " Not just cabs wrote on Aug 12, 2007 12:51 PM: " Blind and visually impaired are discriminated in more places than taxi cabs. Restaurants are DARK - you have to carry a flashlight to find your way or maybe read a menu? NONE have large print menus. Stores allow obstacles on the floor, never picking up toys or clothes that inconsiderate kids/families toss there. Neighbors ignore neighbors who could use a ride (and can't afford a taxi), and others are just plain RUDE if a blind person walks slowly or asks a question. Many YELL at blind people thinking they are dumb and can't HEAR. All of you that are able bodied, getdown on your knees and give thanks! " Paul wrote on Aug 12, 2007 1:29 PM: " To not just cabs -- I am handicap, BUT I do not have a huge chip on my shoulder. GET A LIFE! " to Not just cabs... wrote on Aug 12, 2007 4:51 PM: " if someone cannot afford a taxi why is it all of a sudden my duty to become a personal chauffer? I walked/rode a bicycle for a few years before I got a car... big deal! GET A LIFE INDEED! not being able to afford a taxi has NOTHING to do with this article... " Add Your Comments or Letter to the Editor __._,_.___ Messages in this topic Reply (via web post) | This is Juliet's message to all of you: Here is what we need to make happen. In the seminar last Saturday we only got the ball rolling. I would like to see every guide/handler team up and down the state who has had a problem to call their local newspaper and give the newspaper the story. Tell them about the problems you have experienced in other states, if we get enough releases the awareness may travel across the nation! Please circulate this article and do your part. Post on the CAGDU List your support and your advocacy contribution, LETS KEEP IT UP!!! Thank you, Juliet and Marly Cody _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070814/6dc5cf27/attachment.html From regenerative at earthlink.net Tue Aug 14 10:35:48 2007 From: regenerative at earthlink.net (fred chambers) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:35:48 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Lets keep it up In-Reply-To: <001c01c7de94$e0fcabd0$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> References: <026e01c7de21$3ee60ee0$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> <7F0337C8-5E15-41B7-B3FE-C5D8EDC61754@earthlink.net> <001c01c7de94$e0fcabd0$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> Message-ID: Sounds good, And I want to make them available on Google Images. It'll increase our web presence and traffic. Fred On Aug 14, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Juliett Cody wrote: Yes Fred, I agree, however I have received other pictures from the photographer and I will send them to you. We can get them on the internet, at least . What I am going to do is put them on the CAGDU List serve. Then we can run with them. There is one rule, we must credit the photographer. Thanks, JC and M I can't believe they left Marly's name out of the photo caption! And it is too bad that another bunch of walkers and dogs got left out of the photo shoot. Fred www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/08/12/news/coastal/23_33_058_11_07.txt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070814/b575c28a/attachment.html From nfbcal at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 14 12:49:24 2007 From: nfbcal at sbcglobal.net (Robert Stigile) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:49:24 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Lets keep it up Message-ID: <200708142016.l7EKG4QU026451@lothlorien.nfbcal.org> Hello Juliet and All, I think it was a great seminar, and yes, it was too bad that Marley did not get mentioned. I have been in many newspaper articles, and for this writer to get the names of everyone in the story correct, the name of the organization correct, that is saying a lot. We should be proud of the accomplishments that CAGDU made having the speakers we did, the attendance we did, and yes, we should be proud of the fact that a newspaper showed up in the first place. Again, I will say, great job to all who were present as well as those who helped out but could not be in attendance. Robert Stigile > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Juliett Cody" To: Date sent: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:02:21 -0700 >Subject: Re: [Cagdu] Lets keep it up >Yes Fred, >I agree, however I have received other pictures from the photographer and I will send them to you. We can get them on the internet, at least . What I am going to do is put them on the CAGDU List serve. Then we can run with them. There is one rule, we must credit the photographer. >Thanks, >JC and M > ----- Original Message ----- > From: fred chambers > To: cagdu at nfbcal.org > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] Lets keep it up > I can't believe they left Marly's name out of the phot caption! > And it is too bad that another bunch of walkers and dogs got left out of the photo shoot. > Fred > www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/08/12/news/coastal/23_33_058_11_07. txt >----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu From julietcody at cox.net Tue Aug 14 15:43:37 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:43:37 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] update Message-ID: <01a601c7dec4$8dd6a840$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> Hi CAGDU ERS and all, The National President for Yellow CAB called me, and we had a nice long chat. CAGDU made some national connections and I invited him to our meeting. He said he would come. However I do not want to wait until October so, I think I am going to invite him to The Beach Cities Chapter meeting in September I would like to share our discussion, so I will be on the conference line tonight at six thirty for those of you who want a report. It will have to be sort of short because, I am leaving for a secret Birthday get away tomorrow!!!! Love, JC and M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However I do not want to wait until October >so, I think I am going to invite him to The Beach Cities Chapter meeting in >September > >I would like to share our discussion, so I will be on the conference line >tonight at six thirty for those of you who want a report. It will have to >be sort of short because, I am leaving for a secret Birthday get away >tomorrow!!!! > >Love, >JC and M >_______________________________________________ >Cagdu mailing list >Cagdu at nfbcal.org >https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From julietcody at cox.net Tue Aug 14 15:29:01 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:29:01 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Fw: Dog photos Message-ID: <008701c7dec2$83972190$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wechter" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Dog photos > Nice to meet you, hope these photos work out for you, please credit: > > Bill Wechter/North County Times > > Thanks > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dogs1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 63066 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070814/990ce8e5/attachment.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Take care, Robert Stigile, President National Federation of the Blind of California ----- Original Message ----- From: Juliett Cody To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: [Cagdu] update Hi CAGDU ERS and all, The National President for Yellow CAB called me, and we had a nice long chat. CAGDU made some national connections and I invited him to our meeting. He said he would come. However I do not want to wait until October so, I think I am going to invite him to The Beach Cities Chapter meeting in September I would like to share our discussion, so I will be on the conference line tonight at six thirty for those of you who want a report. It will have to be sort of short because, I am leaving for a secret Birthday get away tomorrow!!!! Love, JC and M ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070814/52f1b630/attachment.html From nanagp at dslextreme.com Tue Aug 14 15:57:17 2007 From: nanagp at dslextreme.com (Gail Paulson) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:57:17 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] update References: <01a601c7dec4$8dd6a840$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> Message-ID: <002401c7dec6$7727dae0$8580b744@gail> Hi Juliet, I'd like to be in on the conference call. Would you please send me the number and code. Thanx, Gail Paulson and Alton ----- Original Message ----- From: Juliett Cody To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: [Cagdu] update Hi CAGDU ERS and all, The National President for Yellow CAB called me, and we had a nice long chat. CAGDU made some national connections and I invited him to our meeting. He said he would come. However I do not want to wait until October so, I think I am going to invite him to The Beach Cities Chapter meeting in September I would like to share our discussion, so I will be on the conference line tonight at six thirty for those of you who want a report. It will have to be sort of short because, I am leaving for a secret Birthday get away tomorrow!!!! 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Would you please send me the number and code. >Thanx, >Gail Paulson and Alton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Juliett Cody > To: cagdu at nfbcal.org > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:43 PM > Subject: [Cagdu] update > Hi CAGDU ERS and all, > The National President for Yellow CAB called me, and we had a nice long chat. CAGDU made some national connections and I invited him to our meeting. He said he would come. However I do not want to wait until October so, I think I am going to invite him to The Beach Cities Chapter meeting in September > I would like to share our discussion, so I will be on the conference line tonight at six thirty for those of you who want a report. It will have to be sort of short because, I am leaving for a secret Birthday get away tomorrow!!!! > Love, > JC and M >----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu From julietcody at cox.net Tue Aug 14 19:48:45 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:48:45 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] I don not to forget Message-ID: <01be01c7dee6$cc92de10$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> Hello Everyone, I do not want to forget to tell all of you how grateful I am for everyone's help. There is no way I could of pulled this alone. Although this is just the beginning of many obstacles we will encounter, we are not alone and together we will stand up and proudly fight for our rights and privileges we have respectfully earned. I am proud to be a blind American with a guide dog and very proud to be your president. Juliet and Marly Cody -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070814/9d0ae152/attachment.html From julietcody at cox.net Tue Aug 14 19:52:23 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:52:23 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] update References: Message-ID: <01db01c7dee7$4e6ff440$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> Hello Kristin, It is good to hear from you. We missed you and B at the seminar. Juliet and surfing for the ball Marly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristin Mathe" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] update > Hello All: > > I just wanted to pop in, now that I have internet here in Texas, to say > that > it appears that the seminar went really well. Not having been there, I > have > to say that the newspaper article portrayed CAGDU extremely well. Cabs > definitely have some backpedaling to do. Good job to all of you. > > Kristin and a verry hard working Bea > > > > >>From: "Juliett Cody" >>Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >>To: >>Subject: [Cagdu] update >>Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:43:37 -0700 >> >>Hi CAGDU ERS and all, >> >>The National President for Yellow CAB called me, and we had a nice long >>chat. CAGDU made some national connections and I invited him to our >>meeting. He said he would come. However I do not want to wait until >>October >>so, I think I am going to invite him to The Beach Cities Chapter meeting >>in >>September >> >>I would like to share our discussion, so I will be on the conference line >>tonight at six thirty for those of you who want a report. It will have to >>be sort of short because, I am leaving for a secret Birthday get away >>tomorrow!!!! >> >>Love, >>JC and M > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Cagdu mailing list >>Cagdu at nfbcal.org >>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > _________________________________________________________________ > A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu From kenvolonte at comcast.net Fri Aug 17 20:41:23 2007 From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:41:23 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Fw: in tribute Message-ID: <001301c7e149$a6577480$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> ----- Original Message ----- From: Pamela Caryl To: Ken Volonte Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: Re: in tribute Oh, Ken!!!!!! Ken Volonte wrote: It was a fast switch from my old guide Roydy to Gulliver; just a short Juno walk to determine my pace, and then I was ushered into the instructors' office where I met Gulliver. The first thing I noticed about him was how slim he was. Roydy had weighed 84 pounds. Gulliver was ten pounds lighter. He was 25 inches at the shoulder. Then I noticed his head. It was a great broad head with a huge face. Immediately I started scratching his ear, he licked me with the tip of his tongue. When I didn't correct him, he licked me with a long slow stroke that covered half my face. This was going to be like living with Dino. As if to emphasize his size, he gave a raspy snarl and held my hand in his big mouth for just half a second. My hand was covered with dog slobber. After that intro, all bets were off. Gulliver licked me and climbed on me much to the embarrassment of Kathie Pits my instructor. "He's very friendly", and indeed he was. He was also very cautious with a slower pace than I was used to. He was so cautious that I didn't think he could take the busy crossing at Pacific and Alpine. This was where many of my dogs had washed out. The day before graduation, Todd and I drove back to Stockton just to see how Gulliver would react. He paused only a second before crossing without a hitch. He'd work out just fine. Gulliver was very forgiving of my mistakes and hard on himself when he would let his attention wander. Perhaps it took him a while to realize that I really was blind and not some impostor wearing sleep shades. Dogs can tell. Soon enough, people would see me all over town. It was during this initial bonding period that I had to relearn something that all guide dog users need to know. It does not do to believe the yells of a public who will comment on every street crossing. They will say the most terrible things in their efforts to be helpful. "That dog's no good. He needs to be trained", or in the next block, "That dog took you right through that construction. He's amazing!" I felt safe with Gulliver, not only because of his caution, but because of his protectiveness. I think he saved me from being mugged once or twice. We knew Stockton by day and night. We knew where all the best waitresses were, the ones that would give Gulliver something special brought from home. They would always say the same thing: "I know I'm not supposed to, but he's just so cute". Cute wasn't the half of it. In addition to his talents as a guide dog, Gulliver could act. He had big sad eyes that could pierce even the most resolute heart. He accentuated his sad look with trembling, slobbering and stomach gurgling noises. I can't swear to this, but I think he could make himself look skinnier. He's a yellow Lab. What can I say. Now it's time for Gulliver to retire. He's ten and a half and it's getting hard for him to climb stairs and he doesn't do those dolphin leaps the way he used to. Through the years, he's guided me and been in every sort of conveyance you could imagine. We've even marched with the National Federation of the Blind in Atlanta this summer. Indeed! We were the first ones back to the hotel. It makes me wonder why I'm retiring him. I'll miss him; but he's going where there is a little Jack Russell Terrier named Bella. She'll keep him young, and his replacement will keep me young. Maybe that's why I use a guide dog. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/958 - Release Date: 8/17/2007 2:31 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070817/ae2d01aa/attachment.html From ecwogan at aol.com Sat Aug 18 12:17:06 2007 From: ecwogan at aol.com (ecwogan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:17:06 -0400 Subject: [Cagdu] Fw: in tribute In-Reply-To: <001301c7e149$a6577480$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> References: <001301c7e149$a6577480$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Message-ID: <8C9AFE380737BA3-FEC-6EEC@WEBMAIL-DC09.sysops.aol.com> Ken, Why are you retiring Gulliver? Leaner -----Original Message----- From: Ken Volonte To: Cagdu Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 8:41 pm Subject: [Cagdu] Fw: in tribute ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Pamela Caryl To: Ken Volonte Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: Re: in tribute Oh, Ken!!!!!! Ken Volonte wrote: It was a fast switch from my old guide Roydy to Gulliver; just a short Juno walk to determine my pace, and then I was ushered into the instructors' office where I met Gulliver. ? ??? The first thing I noticed about him was how slim he was.? Roydy had weighed?84 pounds.? Gulliver was ten pounds lighter.? He was 25 inches at the shoulder.? ? ??? Then I noticed his head.? It was a great broad head with a huge face.? Immediately I started scratching his ear, he licked me with the tip of his tongue.? When I didn't correct him, he licked me with a long slow stroke that covered half my face.? This was going to be like living with Dino.? ? ??? As if to emphasize his size, he gave a raspy snarl and held my hand in his big mouth for just half a second.? My hand was covered with dog slobber.? ? ??? After that intro, all bets were off.? Gulliver licked me and climbed on me much to the embarrassment of Kathie Pits my instructor.? "He's very friendly", and indeed he was.? ? ??? He was also very cautious with a slower pace than I was used to.? He was so cautious that I didn't think he could take the busy crossing at Pacific and Alpine.? This was where many of my dogs had washed out.? ? ??? The day before graduation, Todd and I drove back to Stockton just to see how Gulliver would react.? He paused only a second before crossing without a hitch.? He'd work out just fine.? ? ??? Gulliver was very forgiving of my mistakes and hard on himself when he would let his attention wander.? Perhaps it took him a while to realize that I really was blind and not some impostor wearing sleep shades.? Dogs can tell.? Soon enough, people would see me all over town.? ? ??? It was during this initial bonding period that I had to relearn something that?all guide dog users need to know.?It does not do to believe the yells of a?public who will comment on every street crossing.? They will say the most terrible things in their efforts to be helpful.? "That dog's no good.? He needs to be trained", or in the next block, "That dog took you right through that construction.? He's amazing!"? ? ????I felt safe with Gulliver, not only because of his caution, but because of his protectiveness.? I think he saved me from being mugged once or twice.? ? ??? We knew Stockton by day and night.? We knew where all the best waitresses were, the ones that would give Gulliver something special brought from home.? They would always say the same thing: "I know I'm not supposed to, but he's just so cute".? ? ??? Cute wasn't the half of it.? In addition to his talents as a guide dog, Gulliver could act.? He had big sad eyes that could pierce even the most resolute heart.? He accentuated his sad look with trembling, slobbering and stomach gurgling noises.? I can't swear to this, but I think he could make himself look skinnier.?He's a yellow Lab.? What can I say.? ? ??? Now it's time for Gulliver to retire.? He's ten and a half and it's getting hard for him to climb stairs and he doesn't do those dolphin leaps the way he used to.? ? ??? Through the years, he's guided me and been in every sort of conveyance you could imagine.? We've even marched with the National Federation of the Blind in Atlanta this summer.? Indeed!? We were the first ones back to the hotel.? It makes me wonder why I'm retiring him.? ? ??? I'll miss him; but he's going where?there is a little Jack Russell Terrier named Bella.? She'll keep him young, and his replacement will keep me young.? Maybe that's why I use a guide dog.? ??? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/958 - Release Date: 8/17/2007 2:31 PM _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. =0 From kenvolonte at comcast.net Sat Aug 18 13:18:36 2007 From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:18:36 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Fw: in tribute References: <001301c7e149$a6577480$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> <8C9AFE380737BA3-FEC-6EEC@WEBMAIL-DC09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000f01c7e1d4$f5757360$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Gulliver's in good health now, but he's starting to have trouble with his hind quarters. I just don't want to work him until he's in so much pain that he can't work any more. So he's going to a family friend where I can see him every once in a while. I've seen guides worked literally until they die-- and there's that question: "Ken do you think that if I'd given my dog this or that supplement, do you think I could have worked her for a couple more days"? I'm really ambivalent about this. That's why I wrote the tribute. Writing this makes me sad just like I was when I realized that Gulliver was ten and not nine. I gotta go. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] Fw: in tribute > Ken, > Why are you retiring Gulliver? > Leaner > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Volonte > To: Cagdu > Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 8:41 pm > Subject: [Cagdu] Fw: in tribute > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pamela > Caryl > To: Ken Volonte > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:53 AM > Subject: Re: in tribute > > Oh, > Ken!!!!!! > > Volonte > wrote: > > > > > It was a fast switch from my old guide Roydy to > Gulliver; just a short Juno walk to determine my pace, and then I was > ushered > into the instructors' office where I met Gulliver. > > The first thing I noticed > about him was how slim he was. Roydy had weighed 84 pounds. > Gulliver was ten pounds lighter. He was 25 inches at the shoulder. > > > Then I noticed his head. > It was a great broad head with a huge face. Immediately I started > scratching his ear, he licked me with the tip of his tongue. When I > didn't correct him, he licked me with a long slow stroke that covered > half my > face. This was going to be like living with Dino. > > As if to emphasize his size, > he gave a raspy snarl and held my hand in his big mouth for just half > a > second. My hand was covered with dog slobber. > > After that intro, all bets > were off. Gulliver licked me and climbed on me much to the > embarrassment > of Kathie Pits my instructor. "He's very friendly", and indeed he > was. > > He was also very cautious with > a slower pace than I was used to. He was so cautious that I didn't > think > he could take the busy crossing at Pacific and Alpine. This was > where > many of my dogs had washed out. > > The day before graduation, > Todd and I drove back to Stockton just to see how Gulliver would > react. > He paused only a second before crossing without a hitch. He'd work > out > just fine. > > Gulliver was very forgiving of > my mistakes and hard on himself when he would let his attention > wander. > Perhaps it took him a while to realize that I really was blind and > not some > impostor wearing sleep shades. Dogs can tell. Soon enough, people > would see me all over town. > > It was during this initial > bonding period that I had to relearn something that all guide dog > users > need to know. It does not do to believe the yells of a public who > will comment on every street crossing. They will say the most > terrible > things in their efforts to be helpful. "That dog's no good. He > needs to be trained", or in the next block, "That dog took you right > through > that construction. He's amazing!" > > I felt safe with > Gulliver, not only because of his caution, but because of his > protectiveness. I think he saved me from being mugged once or > twice. > > We knew Stockton by day and > night. We knew where all the best waitresses were, the ones that > would > give Gulliver something special brought from home. They would always > say > the same thing: "I know I'm not supposed to, but he's just so > cute". > > Cute wasn't the half of > it. In addition to his talents as a guide dog, Gulliver could act. > He had big sad eyes that could pierce even the most resolute heart. > He > accentuated his sad look with trembling, slobbering and stomach > gurgling > noises. I can't swear to this, but I think he could make himself > look > skinnier. He's a yellow Lab. What can I say. > > Now it's time for Gulliver to > retire. He's ten and a half and it's getting hard for him to climb > stairs and he doesn't do those dolphin leaps the way he used to. > > > Through the years, he's guided > me and been in every sort of conveyance you could imagine. We've > even > marched with the National Federation of the Blind in Atlanta this > summer. Indeed! We were the first ones back to the hotel. It > makes me wonder why I'm retiring him. > > I'll miss him; but he's going > where there is a little Jack Russell Terrier named Bella. She'll > keep him young, and his replacement will keep me young. Maybe that's > why > I use a guide dog. > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/958 - Release Date: > 8/17/2007 > 2:31 PM > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > =0 > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/960 - Release Date: 8/18/2007 3:48 PM From simone at nz4eva.com Sat Aug 18 13:50:54 2007 From: simone at nz4eva.com (simone at nz4eva.com) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:50:54 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] FWD: in tribute Message-ID: <20070818135054.3b5c87ae9330868dc86c038195920e91.ef7cc2cbe5.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Ken: It's a very kind, unselfish & loving person who does what's right for another, and not what they long to do for themselves. That puts you in the hero category; Few people these days show that type of bravery, selflessness. or just plain maturity. Kudos to you! Simone Grace > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] Fw: in tribute > From: "Ken Volonte" > Date: Sat, August 18, 2007 1:18 pm > To: "Cagdu" > > Gulliver's in good health now, but he's starting to have trouble with his > hind quarters. I just don't want to work him until he's in so much pain > that he can't work any more. So he's going to a family friend where I can > see him every once in a while. I've seen guides worked literally until they > die-- and there's that question: "Ken do you think that if I'd given my dog > this or that supplement, do you think I could have worked her for a couple > more days"? I'm really ambivalent about this. That's why I wrote the > tribute. Writing this makes me sad just like I was when I realized that > Gulliver was ten and not nine. I gotta go. Ken > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] Fw: in tribute > > > > Ken, > > Why are you retiring Gulliver? > > Leaner > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ken Volonte > > To: Cagdu > > Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 8:41 pm > > Subject: [Cagdu] Fw: in tribute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Pamela > > Caryl > > To: Ken Volonte > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:53 AM > > Subject: Re: in tribute > > > > Oh, > > Ken!!!!!! > > > > Volonte > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It was a fast switch from my old guide Roydy to > > Gulliver; just a short Juno walk to determine my pace, and then I was > > ushered > > into the instructors' office where I met Gulliver. > > > > The first thing I noticed > > about him was how slim he was. Roydy had weighed 84 pounds. > > Gulliver was ten pounds lighter. He was 25 inches at the shoulder. > > > > > > Then I noticed his head. > > It was a great broad head with a huge face. Immediately I started > > scratching his ear, he licked me with the tip of his tongue. When I > > didn't correct him, he licked me with a long slow stroke that covered > > half my > > face. This was going to be like living with Dino. > > > > As if to emphasize his size, > > he gave a raspy snarl and held my hand in his big mouth for just half > > a > > second. My hand was covered with dog slobber. > > > > After that intro, all bets > > were off. Gulliver licked me and climbed on me much to the > > embarrassment > > of Kathie Pits my instructor. "He's very friendly", and indeed he > > was. > > > > He was also very cautious with > > a slower pace than I was used to. He was so cautious that I didn't > > think > > he could take the busy crossing at Pacific and Alpine. This was > > where > > many of my dogs had washed out. > > > > The day before graduation, > > Todd and I drove back to Stockton just to see how Gulliver would > > react. > > He paused only a second before crossing without a hitch. He'd work > > out > > just fine. > > > > Gulliver was very forgiving of > > my mistakes and hard on himself when he would let his attention > > wander. > > Perhaps it took him a while to realize that I really was blind and > > not some > > impostor wearing sleep shades. Dogs can tell. Soon enough, people > > would see me all over town. > > > > It was during this initial > > bonding period that I had to relearn something that all guide dog > > users > > need to know. It does not do to believe the yells of a public who > > will comment on every street crossing. They will say the most > > terrible > > things in their efforts to be helpful. "That dog's no good. He > > needs to be trained", or in the next block, "That dog took you right > > through > > that construction. He's amazing!" > > > > I felt safe with > > Gulliver, not only because of his caution, but because of his > > protectiveness. I think he saved me from being mugged once or > > twice. > > > > We knew Stockton by day and > > night. We knew where all the best waitresses were, the ones that > > would > > give Gulliver something special brought from home. They would always > > say > > the same thing: "I know I'm not supposed to, but he's just so > > cute". > > > > Cute wasn't the half of > > it. In addition to his talents as a guide dog, Gulliver could act. > > He had big sad eyes that could pierce even the most resolute heart. > > He > > accentuated his sad look with trembling, slobbering and stomach > > gurgling > > noises. I can't swear to this, but I think he could make himself > > look > > skinnier. He's a yellow Lab. What can I say. > > > > Now it's time for Gulliver to > > retire. He's ten and a half and it's getting hard for him to climb > > stairs and he doesn't do those dolphin leaps the way he used to. > > > > > > Through the years, he's guided > > me and been in every sort of conveyance you could imagine. We've > > even > > marched with the National Federation of the Blind in Atlanta this > > summer. Indeed! We were the first ones back to the hotel. It > > makes me wonder why I'm retiring him. > > > > I'll miss him; but he's going > > where there is a little Jack Russell Terrier named Bella. She'll > > keep him young, and his replacement will keep me young. Maybe that's > > why > > I use a guide dog. > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/958 - Release Date: > > 8/17/2007 > > 2:31 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cagdu mailing list > > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > > from AOL at AOL.com. > > =0 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cagdu mailing list > > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/960 - Release Date: 8/18/2007 > 3:48 PM > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu From kenvolonte at comcast.net Sun Aug 19 07:00:15 2007 From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 07:00:15 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] some history Message-ID: <002a01c7e269$44c2a980$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Hi all. There has been a question about why I'm retiring Gulliver. To understand my thinking, perhaps you need to know something about my previous guide Roydy. He was a good worker, but along about the time he was seven or eight, he started having bladder infections. Finally, the treatments weren't working for any more than a few weeks. I retired Roydy when he was just eight and a half, and it haunted me because he was so young. Had I done all that I could have done? Now, Roydy was back with his raisers and their two little kids. I knew he was having a great time just hanging out and being a pet. I was unprepared for the phone call which informed me that Roydy had died of bladder cancer. He had been in pain for a long time, and finally, his quality of life was such that he had to be put down so that he wouldn't suffer any more. I'm glad I retired Roydy when he could still run and play with the kids for a while, when he could still have some dogness in his life. I retired him at just the right time from my point of view. A couple more years and Roydy was gone. He died of bladder cancer. Now, as to Gulliver and his condition; he will gladly do any guide work that I ask of him, but it's very hard for him to wake up and get started. Whereas in the past, if Velvet and I weren't up by nine o'clock and getting ready for our day, Gulliver would race around the house, leap on the bed, wine, bark and try everything he knew to get us up and moving into a bright new day that was full of promise. Now, it's just so hard for him to start out, and when we've finished our walk down and back to breakfast, he just collapses on the floor exhausted. It's time for him ////to frisk and play and be a companion for my gentle friend who loves animals and has a heart for what all of her animals have felt. I hope that this is a more /complete explanation for my decision. I'd appreciate calls or emails from anyone who wants to talk. Don't clog up this list, but write or call me privately. Thanks in advance for all your support and comments. You are a much beloved family of friends. Ken V. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070819/ef6144c2/attachment.html From nanagp at dslextreme.com Fri Aug 24 11:40:04 2007 From: nanagp at dslextreme.com (Gail Paulson) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:40:04 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] (no subject) Message-ID: <000a01c7e67e$30ad73d0$8580b744@gail> Hi All, Come join in the fun. Mark this on your calendar today so you won't miss it.Our chapter has worked hard to put this together and your participation will make it a grand success. Best Regards, Gail Paulson and Alton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070824/15ed2ff7/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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We had bought tickets well in advance because Velvet can't climb steps. We had seats at floor level 1 section 9. When we showed our tickets to the arena staff, we were repeatedly told, "You're up front on the floor". We walked through accompanied by an usher, but when he realized who we were: a blind man with a guide dog and a lady with a cane, our section magically didn't exist any more. "I can't tell if that's... see how this here is underlined... Kathie will take care of you. She's a supervisor", and off he went into the crowd. Kathie instructed us to follow her back the way we'd just come. She just left us standing and took off with our tickets. Finally, Velvet couldn't stand any more and I was getting more irritated by the minute. There were six chairs near to where we were, and we sat down. After maybe fifteen minutes, six women approached us and demanded that we move. Kathie was with them, and she insisted that we again follow her. We were seated on the far right of the arena sitting sideways to the stage. Velvet kept insisting that this wasn't right, that we had paid for floor tickets and that they had been taken from us. Finally, Josh Groban's security man came up to us and demanded to see our tickets. "This is where you're supposed to be. What's the problem"? Velvet explained that these were not our assigned seats, that our tickets had been traded out for these seats. The security man then questioned me. "You bought two seats? With the dog you didn't buy three?" A reasonable man would have just pulled out his law card, but to my shame, I lost it. I really lost it. His question cast me right back to the 70s. I think that the reason it had such an effect on me was that all control and hope for what should have been an orderly entrance and enjoyable evening were dashed. "If you want to enjoy the rest of the show", Mr. Security went on, "then you're going to have to speak to me with the respect I've shown you". "I'm sorry", I said. "What was that, I didn't hear you." "I will enjoy the show", but the experience was just wrong. Velvet and I have been to many venues and we've always had a good time. Where accommodations have had to be made, they have been undertaken with grace and good will on both sides. All we wanted was to be shown to the seats to which we were assigned. Instead, we were marginalized. I admit some responsibility for this because I lost my temper; but sometimes, when you have been warn down, all you can do is yell. On Monday, Velvet and I shall attempt to talk to the management of the Stockton Arena. We will present our arguments in a reasonable fashion. This is not the first time something like this has happened to us at this venue. The first time, Velvet fell amid a whole scrum of people and nobody helped at all. Progress can be hard even when the law and common sense are on your side. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070825/7d23a5cc/attachment.html From julietcody at cox.net Sat Aug 25 16:06:59 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:06:59 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted References: <000901c7e769$5cc4eb60$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Message-ID: <034d01c7e76c$a3f97f70$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> Hello Ken and family, Wow, I am very sorry the three of you had a bad experience. Loosing it was wrong, but I understand. There are times that it happens. Please let us know what happens and if anyone knows anything that can vbe of some help to Ken and Velvet an Gulliver, please post it. JC and M ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Volonte To: Cagdu Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted Hi all. Last night, Velvet and I went to a Josh Groban concert at the Stockton Arena. We had bought tickets well in advance because Velvet can't climb steps. We had seats at floor level 1 section 9. When we showed our tickets to the arena staff, we were repeatedly told, "You're up front on the floor". We walked through accompanied by an usher, but when he realized who we were: a blind man with a guide dog and a lady with a cane, our section magically didn't exist any more. "I can't tell if that's... see how this here is underlined... Kathie will take care of you. She's a supervisor", and off he went into the crowd. Kathie instructed us to follow her back the way we'd just come. She just left us standing and took off with our tickets. Finally, Velvet couldn't stand any more and I was getting more irritated by the minute. There were six chairs near to where we were, and we sat down. After maybe fifteen minutes, six women approached us and demanded that we move. Kathie was with them, and she insisted that we again follow her. We were seated on the far right of the arena sitting sideways to the stage. Velvet kept insisting that this wasn't right, that we had paid for floor tickets and that they had been taken from us. Finally, Josh Groban's security man came up to us and demanded to see our tickets. "This is where you're supposed to be. What's the problem"? Velvet explained that these were not our assigned seats, that our tickets had been traded out for these seats. The security man then questioned me. "You bought two seats? With the dog you didn't buy three?" A reasonable man would have just pulled out his law card, but to my shame, I lost it. I really lost it. His question cast me right back to the 70s. I think that the reason it had such an effect on me was that all control and hope for what should have been an orderly entrance and enjoyable evening were dashed. "If you want to enjoy the rest of the show", Mr. Security went on, "then you're going to have to speak to me with the respect I've shown you". "I'm sorry", I said. "What was that, I didn't hear you." "I will enjoy the show", but the experience was just wrong. Velvet and I have been to many venues and we've always had a good time. Where accommodations have had to be made, they have been undertaken with grace and good will on both sides. All we wanted was to be shown to the seats to which we were assigned. Instead, we were marginalized. I admit some responsibility for this because I lost my temper; but sometimes, when you have been warn down, all you can do is yell. On Monday, Velvet and I shall attempt to talk to the management of the Stockton Arena. We will present our arguments in a reasonable fashion. This is not the first time something like this has happened to us at this venue. The first time, Velvet fell amid a whole scrum of people and nobody helped at all. Progress can be hard even when the law and common sense are on your side. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070825/ec79b7c0/attachment.html From mathekristin at hotmail.com Sat Aug 25 16:14:12 2007 From: mathekristin at hotmail.com (Kristin Mathe) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:14:12 -0500 Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted In-Reply-To: <034d01c7e76c$a3f97f70$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> Message-ID: Hi Ken and community, Beatrice and I are in Texas, but this topic speaks to me. I have been relocated for at best questionable reasons in event venues as well. Sometimes the excuse has been: "She'll be blocking access to the isle" as if everyone's knees arent. Other times the staff seem concerned that Beatrice would just be better off somewhere else, or it would be easier to get to some seets off in a corner. It's reached the point that I've politely thanked the staff and proceeded to my seat that was originally assigned when their concern is a matter of convenience. It's harder with the safety claims, which quite frankly I think are contrived because the dog wants to evacuate a burning building just as much as the other theater goers. We still have a ways to go in changing the custodial mindset of many people. So, while I don't have any sage advice, Ken is not alone in this frustration. KM >From: "Juliett Cody" >Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >To: >Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted >Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:06:59 -0700 > >Hello Ken and family, >Wow, I am very sorry the three of you had a bad experience. Loosing it was >wrong, but I understand. There are times that it happens. Please let us >know what happens and if anyone knows anything that can vbe of some help >to Ken and Velvet an Gulliver, please post it. > >JC and M > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Volonte > To: Cagdu > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:43 PM > Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted > > > Hi all. Last night, Velvet and I went to a Josh Groban concert at the >Stockton Arena. We had bought tickets well in advance because Velvet can't >climb steps. We had seats at floor level 1 section 9. > > When we showed our tickets to the arena staff, we were repeatedly >told, "You're up front on the floor". We walked through accompanied by an >usher, but when he realized who we were: a blind man with a guide dog and a >lady with a cane, our section magically didn't exist any more. "I can't >tell if that's... see how this here is underlined... Kathie will take care >of you. She's a supervisor", and off he went into the crowd. > > Kathie instructed us to follow her back the way we'd just come. She >just left us standing and took off with our tickets. > > Finally, Velvet couldn't stand any more and I was getting more >irritated by the minute. There were six chairs near to where we were, and >we sat down. After maybe fifteen minutes, six women approached us and >demanded that we move. Kathie was with them, and she insisted that we >again follow her. We were seated on the far right of the arena sitting >sideways to the stage. Velvet kept insisting that this wasn't right, that >we had paid for floor tickets and that they had been taken from us. > > Finally, Josh Groban's security man came up to us and demanded to >see our tickets. "This is where you're supposed to be. What's the >problem"? > > Velvet explained that these were not our assigned seats, that our >tickets had been traded out for these seats. The security man then >questioned me. "You bought two seats? With the dog you didn't buy three?" > > A reasonable man would have just pulled out his law card, but to my >shame, I lost it. I really lost it. His question cast me right back to >the 70s. I think that the reason it had such an effect on me was that all >control and hope for what should have been an orderly entrance and >enjoyable evening were dashed. "If you want to enjoy the rest of the >show", Mr. Security went on, "then you're going to have to speak to me with >the respect I've shown you". > > "I'm sorry", I said. > > "What was that, I didn't hear you." > > "I will enjoy the show", but the experience was just wrong. > > Velvet and I have been to many venues and we've always had a good >time. Where accommodations have had to be made, they have been undertaken >with grace and good will on both sides. All we wanted was to be shown to >the seats to which we were assigned. Instead, we were marginalized. I >admit some responsibility for this because I lost my temper; but sometimes, >when you have been warn down, all you can do is yell. > > On Monday, Velvet and I shall attempt to talk to the management of >the Stockton Arena. We will present our arguments in a reasonable fashion. > > This is not the first time something like this has happened to us at >this venue. The first time, Velvet fell amid a whole scrum of people and >nobody helped at all. > > Progress can be hard even when the law and common sense are on your >side. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >_______________________________________________ >Cagdu mailing list >Cagdu at nfbcal.org >https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink From rstigile at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 25 17:28:41 2007 From: rstigile at sbcglobal.net (robert stigile) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:28:41 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted Message-ID: <200708260054.l7Q0saPG008433@lothlorien.nfbcal.org> Hello Ken and All, I would definitely call on Monday and explain to the Management, what happened. In the future, even though they want to see your tickets, it is best to hang on to them. In all of the events I have gone to, with my guide dog, Baseball games and concerts, I have never been told I have to sit somewhere other then the seat I chose. I am sorry to hear that this happened, and look forward to hearing the outcome. Take care, Robert Stigile > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken Volonte" To: "Cagdu" Date sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:43:31 -0700 >Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted >Hi all. Last night, Velvet and I went to a Josh Groban concert at the Stockton Arena. We had bought tickets well in advance because Velvet can't climb steps. We had seats at floor level 1 section 9. > When we showed our tickets to the arena staff, we were repeatedly told, "You're up front on the floor". We walked through accompanied by an usher, but when he realized who we were: a blind man with a guide dog and a lady with a cane, our section magically didn't exist any more. "I can't tell if that's... see how this here is underlined... Kathie will take care of you. She's a supervisor", and off he went into the crowd. > Kathie instructed us to follow her back the way we'd just come. She just left us standing and took off with our tickets. > Finally, Velvet couldn't stand any more and I was getting more irritated by the minute. There were six chairs near to where we were, and we sat down. After maybe fifteen minutes, six women approached us and demanded that we move. Kathie was with them, and she insisted that we again follow her. We were seated on the far right of the arena sitting sideways to the stage. Velvet kept insisting that this wasn't right, that we had paid for floor tickets and that they had been taken from us. > Finally, Josh Groban's security man came up to us and demanded to see our tickets. "This is where you're supposed to be. What's the problem"? > Velvet explained that these were not our assigned seats, that our tickets had been traded out for these seats. The security man then questioned me. "You bought two seats? With the dog you didn't buy three?" > A reasonable man would have just pulled out his law card, but to my shame, I lost it. I really lost it. His question cast me right back to the 70s. I think that the reason it had such an effect on me was that all control and hope for what should have been an orderly entrance and enjoyable evening were dashed. "If you want to enjoy the rest of the show", Mr. Security went on, "then you're going to have to speak to me with the respect I've shown you". > "I'm sorry", I said. > "What was that, I didn't hear you." > "I will enjoy the show", but the experience was just wrong. > Velvet and I have been to many venues and we've always had a good time. Where accommodations have had to be made, they have been undertaken with grace and good will on both sides. All we wanted was to be shown to the seats to which we were assigned. Instead, we were marginalized. I admit some responsibility for this because I lost my temper; but sometimes, when you have been warn down, all you can do is yell. > On Monday, Velvet and I shall attempt to talk to the management of the Stockton Arena. We will present our arguments in a reasonable fashion. > This is not the first time something like this has happened to us at this venue. The first time, Velvet fell amid a whole scrum of people and nobody helped at all. > Progress can be hard even when the law and common sense are on your side. From julietcody at cox.net Sat Aug 25 18:36:17 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:36:17 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted References: Message-ID: <001301c7e781$7f904ff0$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> Good point Kristin, Did you say safety???? , We must not forget I ( apology if misspelled) she was a hero during the 9 11 tragedy. We really need to defend our position and insist on our assigned seats. One thing to remember that has helped me, is to let them know that you have a guide dog before hand. JC and M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristin Mathe" To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted > Hi Ken and community, > > Beatrice and I are in Texas, but this topic speaks to me. I have been > relocated for at best questionable reasons in event venues as well. > Sometimes the excuse has been: "She'll be blocking access to the isle" as > if > everyone's knees arent. Other times the staff seem concerned that Beatrice > would just be better off somewhere else, or it would be easier to get to > some seets off in a corner. It's reached the point that I've politely > thanked the staff and proceeded to my seat that was originally assigned > when > their concern is a matter of convenience. It's harder with the safety > claims, which quite frankly I think are contrived because the dog wants to > evacuate a burning building just as much as the other theater goers. We > still have a ways to go in changing the custodial mindset of many people. > So, while I don't have any sage advice, Ken is not alone in this > frustration. > > KM > > >>From: "Juliett Cody" >>Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >>To: >>Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted >>Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:06:59 -0700 >> >>Hello Ken and family, >>Wow, I am very sorry the three of you had a bad experience. Loosing it was >>wrong, but I understand. There are times that it happens. Please let us >>know what happens and if anyone knows anything that can vbe of some help >>to Ken and Velvet an Gulliver, please post it. >> >>JC and M >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ken Volonte >> To: Cagdu >> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:43 PM >> Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted >> >> >> Hi all. Last night, Velvet and I went to a Josh Groban concert at the >>Stockton Arena. We had bought tickets well in advance because Velvet >>can't >>climb steps. We had seats at floor level 1 section 9. >> >> When we showed our tickets to the arena staff, we were repeatedly >>told, "You're up front on the floor". We walked through accompanied by an >>usher, but when he realized who we were: a blind man with a guide dog and >>a >>lady with a cane, our section magically didn't exist any more. "I can't >>tell if that's... see how this here is underlined... Kathie will take care >>of you. She's a supervisor", and off he went into the crowd. >> >> Kathie instructed us to follow her back the way we'd just come. >> She >>just left us standing and took off with our tickets. >> >> Finally, Velvet couldn't stand any more and I was getting more >>irritated by the minute. There were six chairs near to where we were, and >>we sat down. After maybe fifteen minutes, six women approached us and >>demanded that we move. Kathie was with them, and she insisted that we >>again follow her. We were seated on the far right of the arena sitting >>sideways to the stage. Velvet kept insisting that this wasn't right, that >>we had paid for floor tickets and that they had been taken from us. >> >> Finally, Josh Groban's security man came up to us and demanded to >>see our tickets. "This is where you're supposed to be. What's the >>problem"? >> >> Velvet explained that these were not our assigned seats, that our >>tickets had been traded out for these seats. The security man then >>questioned me. "You bought two seats? With the dog you didn't buy >>three?" >> >> A reasonable man would have just pulled out his law card, but to my >>shame, I lost it. I really lost it. His question cast me right back to >>the 70s. I think that the reason it had such an effect on me was that all >>control and hope for what should have been an orderly entrance and >>enjoyable evening were dashed. "If you want to enjoy the rest of the >>show", Mr. Security went on, "then you're going to have to speak to me >>with >>the respect I've shown you". >> >> "I'm sorry", I said. >> >> "What was that, I didn't hear you." >> >> "I will enjoy the show", but the experience was just wrong. >> >> Velvet and I have been to many venues and we've always had a good >>time. Where accommodations have had to be made, they have been undertaken >>with grace and good will on both sides. All we wanted was to be shown to >>the seats to which we were assigned. Instead, we were marginalized. I >>admit some responsibility for this because I lost my temper; but >>sometimes, >>when you have been warn down, all you can do is yell. >> >> On Monday, Velvet and I shall attempt to talk to the management of >>the Stockton Arena. We will present our arguments in a reasonable >>fashion. >> >> This is not the first time something like this has happened to us >> at >>this venue. The first time, Velvet fell amid a whole scrum of people and >>nobody helped at all. >> >> Progress can be hard even when the law and common sense are on your >>side. >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cagdu mailing list >> Cagdu at nfbcal.org >> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Cagdu mailing list >>Cagdu at nfbcal.org >>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > _________________________________________________________________ > Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to > win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu From tmanosh at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 25 19:04:09 2007 From: tmanosh at sbcglobal.net (Tiffany Manosh) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted In-Reply-To: <000901c7e769$5cc4eb60$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Message-ID: <408265.8272.qm@web83514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Ken & All, I am sorry to hear about your situation. I would recommend that in the future when attending events that require tickets that you hold onto them. Show them to whomever is assisting you to your seat but do not give them up. If the attendant tried to take the tickets nicley explain you would like to hold onto them but you can look at them. You might also let them know you have had problems in the past. Also, if you purchase tickets online there is normally a confirmation that you get via email or print after you order tickets. I always bring this along as well incase of any problems as it also has seat assignment and all the other important information on it. I hope the phone call on Monday goes well and look forward to hearing the outcome. Have a great evening, Tiffany Ken Volonte wrote: Hi all. Last night, Velvet and I went to a Josh Groban concert at the Stockton Arena. We had bought tickets well in advance because Velvet can't climb steps. We had seats at floor level 1 section 9. When we showed our tickets to the arena staff, we were repeatedly told, "You're up front on the floor". We walked through accompanied by an usher, but when he realized who we were: a blind man with a guide dog and a lady with a cane, our section magically didn't exist any more. "I can't tell if that's... see how this here is underlined... Kathie will take care of you. She's a supervisor", and off he went into the crowd. Kathie instructed us to follow her back the way we'd just come. She just left us standing and took off with our tickets. Finally, Velvet couldn't stand any more and I was getting more irritated by the minute. There were six chairs near to where we were, and we sat down. After maybe fifteen minutes, six women approached us and demanded that we move. Kathie was with them, and she insisted that we again follow her. We were seated on the far right of the arena sitting sideways to the stage. Velvet kept insisting that this wasn't right, that we had paid for floor tickets and that they had been taken from us. Finally, Josh Groban's security man came up to us and demanded to see our tickets. "This is where you're supposed to be. What's the problem"? Velvet explained that these were not our assigned seats, that our tickets had been traded out for these seats. The security man then questioned me. "You bought two seats? With the dog you didn't buy three?" A reasonable man would have just pulled out his law card, but to my shame, I lost it. I really lost it. His question cast me right back to the 70s. I think that the reason it had such an effect on me was that all control and hope for what should have been an orderly entrance and enjoyable evening were dashed. "If you want to enjoy the rest of the show", Mr. Security went on, "then you're going to have to speak to me with the respect I've shown you". "I'm sorry", I said. "What was that, I didn't hear you." "I will enjoy the show", but the experience was just wrong. Velvet and I have been to many venues and we've always had a good time. Where accommodations have had to be made, they have been undertaken with grace and good will on both sides. All we wanted was to be shown to the seats to which we were assigned. Instead, we were marginalized. I admit some responsibility for this because I lost my temper; but sometimes, when you have been warn down, all you can do is yell. On Monday, Velvet and I shall attempt to talk to the management of the Stockton Arena. We will present our arguments in a reasonable fashion. This is not the first time something like this has happened to us at this venue. The first time, Velvet fell amid a whole scrum of people and nobody helped at all. Progress can be hard even when the law and common sense are on your side. _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070825/e8f76363/attachment.html From its_mike at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 25 22:19:27 2007 From: its_mike at sbcglobal.net (Michael Peterson) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:19:27 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted References: <001301c7e781$7f904ff0$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> Message-ID: <001201c7e7a0$acd96360$6401a8c0@michael> Here's what I would do. Don't know if it would work but it's an idea. You need several guide dog users and yu need an event at this venue. You begin by working with a local Television station hopefully an investigative show if possible. You tell them what will occurand why it shouldn't. Than you buy the good seats in some cases the news show might even get the tickets but I wouldn't push for that. When the camera's are there they may or may not repeat their action but either way you discuss with the investigative reporters. what the problem is. In fact we did a similar thing many years ago with the sheltered workshops on 60 minutes. Without a guide dog I had a similar humuliating thing happen when Terra and I went to the Hollywood bowl to see Trisha Yearwood. Terra was new to the area and her site isn't that good. We went to the box office and ask them to help us find our seats. They said they could do that but in order for them to do it I was required to sit in a wheelchair. No problems with the legs I had my cane so did Terra. It was an alumni event where California State Northridge had a section reserved, It was hot I'd been traveling all day to get from Rosamond to the Bowl and just didn't feel like pursuing confrontation on that particular night. The only silent protest I did was put all my weight in the wheelchair and totally relax so the "guide was pushing a lot more weight up that hill than he had bargained for. He was out of breath by the time of our arrival and even had me walk up to our seats once we got to the section. Only sad part is it really wasn't his fault he was just doing what he was told by the "handicapped help desk or whatever they call it. When we left we decided to just try and find our way out on our own and we did get out and find the buses with no problem as fast as the other patrons maybe even faster. Back to the current situation. Perhaps the National guide dog division could begin courting the media and informing them a piece needs to be done Nationally.It would probably be easy enough to get the national organization as a whole to use it's resources to help this come about. We all ready have representatives from two states Texas and california who are currently experiencing the problem. I'm sure it would take very little effort to find other guide dog users in other states this happens too. And if at even one venue they are caught in the act wonderful. But it has to be done right and the reporters need to clearly understand the law is on your side and it's being violated for no good reason. Another posability is the State might consider a picket of the San Jose venue. I don't know what kind of entertainment happens their but if a performer that does shows their were to get involved and express sympathy for the marchers that too would get press. I wish we had more time this would be a great white cane safety day event because we could explain how dogs and canes are important mobility aides and that the important thing about white cane legislation is it helps the blind as they mainstream in to society on a daily basis. Militancy isn't always a good thing but sometimes you have to refuse to sit at the back of the bus, and you can't do it alone. Well you can but if you do it's futile anger and fails to accomplish the desired affect. You need the support of the Blind community like when Guide dog users and cane users were thrown off of planes because they wouldn't change seating. This sounds to me like one of those times. But it needs thoughtful planning and execution. God bless: Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juliett Cody" To: ; Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted > Good point Kristin, > > Did you say safety???? > , We must not forget I ( apology if misspelled) she was a hero during the > 9 > 11 tragedy. We really need to defend our position and insist on our > assigned > seats. One thing to remember that has helped me, is to let them know that > you have a guide dog before hand. > > JC and M > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kristin Mathe" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted > > >> Hi Ken and community, >> >> Beatrice and I are in Texas, but this topic speaks to me. I have been >> relocated for at best questionable reasons in event venues as well. >> Sometimes the excuse has been: "She'll be blocking access to the isle" as >> if >> everyone's knees arent. Other times the staff seem concerned that >> Beatrice >> would just be better off somewhere else, or it would be easier to get to >> some seets off in a corner. It's reached the point that I've politely >> thanked the staff and proceeded to my seat that was originally assigned >> when >> their concern is a matter of convenience. It's harder with the safety >> claims, which quite frankly I think are contrived because the dog wants >> to >> evacuate a burning building just as much as the other theater goers. We >> still have a ways to go in changing the custodial mindset of many people. >> So, while I don't have any sage advice, Ken is not alone in this >> frustration. >> >> KM >> >> >>>From: "Juliett Cody" >>>Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >>>To: >>>Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted >>>Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:06:59 -0700 >>> >>>Hello Ken and family, >>>Wow, I am very sorry the three of you had a bad experience. Loosing it >>>was >>>wrong, but I understand. There are times that it happens. Please let us >>>know what happens and if anyone knows anything that can vbe of some help >>>to Ken and Velvet an Gulliver, please post it. >>> >>>JC and M >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ken Volonte >>> To: Cagdu >>> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:43 PM >>> Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted >>> >>> >>> Hi all. Last night, Velvet and I went to a Josh Groban concert at the >>>Stockton Arena. We had bought tickets well in advance because Velvet >>>can't >>>climb steps. We had seats at floor level 1 section 9. >>> >>> When we showed our tickets to the arena staff, we were repeatedly >>>told, "You're up front on the floor". We walked through accompanied by >>>an >>>usher, but when he realized who we were: a blind man with a guide dog and >>>a >>>lady with a cane, our section magically didn't exist any more. "I can't >>>tell if that's... see how this here is underlined... Kathie will take >>>care >>>of you. She's a supervisor", and off he went into the crowd. >>> >>> Kathie instructed us to follow her back the way we'd just come. >>> She >>>just left us standing and took off with our tickets. >>> >>> Finally, Velvet couldn't stand any more and I was getting more >>>irritated by the minute. There were six chairs near to where we were, >>>and >>>we sat down. After maybe fifteen minutes, six women approached us and >>>demanded that we move. Kathie was with them, and she insisted that we >>>again follow her. We were seated on the far right of the arena sitting >>>sideways to the stage. Velvet kept insisting that this wasn't right, >>>that >>>we had paid for floor tickets and that they had been taken from us. >>> >>> Finally, Josh Groban's security man came up to us and demanded to >>>see our tickets. "This is where you're supposed to be. What's the >>>problem"? >>> >>> Velvet explained that these were not our assigned seats, that our >>>tickets had been traded out for these seats. The security man then >>>questioned me. "You bought two seats? With the dog you didn't buy >>>three?" >>> >>> A reasonable man would have just pulled out his law card, but to >>> my >>>shame, I lost it. I really lost it. His question cast me right back to >>>the 70s. I think that the reason it had such an effect on me was that >>>all >>>control and hope for what should have been an orderly entrance and >>>enjoyable evening were dashed. "If you want to enjoy the rest of the >>>show", Mr. Security went on, "then you're going to have to speak to me >>>with >>>the respect I've shown you". >>> >>> "I'm sorry", I said. >>> >>> "What was that, I didn't hear you." >>> >>> "I will enjoy the show", but the experience was just wrong. >>> >>> Velvet and I have been to many venues and we've always had a good >>>time. Where accommodations have had to be made, they have been >>>undertaken >>>with grace and good will on both sides. All we wanted was to be shown to >>>the seats to which we were assigned. Instead, we were marginalized. I >>>admit some responsibility for this because I lost my temper; but >>>sometimes, >>>when you have been warn down, all you can do is yell. >>> >>> On Monday, Velvet and I shall attempt to talk to the management of >>>the Stockton Arena. We will present our arguments in a reasonable >>>fashion. >>> >>> This is not the first time something like this has happened to us >>> at >>>this venue. The first time, Velvet fell amid a whole scrum of people and >>>nobody helped at all. >>> >>> Progress can be hard even when the law and common sense are on >>> your >>>side. >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cagdu mailing list >>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org >>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Cagdu mailing list >>>Cagdu at nfbcal.org >>>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to >> win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cagdu mailing list >> Cagdu at nfbcal.org >> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu From ecwogan at aol.com Sun Aug 26 08:52:18 2007 From: ecwogan at aol.com (ecwogan at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:52:18 -0400 Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted In-Reply-To: <001301c7e781$7f904ff0$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> References: <001301c7e781$7f904ff0$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> Message-ID: <8C9B610378A576A-7B4-5271@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> Ken and Family, I don't have a guide dog . It's not necessary for the venue to treat you that way at all. In my opinion they treated you like a second class citizen. I totally agree with everybody on this. I think we should educate the public on this if possible so it doesn't happen any more. I keep thinking about the golden rule.I don't blame you for getting upset at all. Issues like these are really upsetting to everybody . There have many times I have been when people have relocated me from one place to another due to different reasons. Well good luck in getting it resolved. We are behind you a 100% in this. Our support is allso with you and your family. Have a great week. Leaner and Family -----Original Message----- From: Juliet Cody To: kmathe at tamu.edu; cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted Good point Kristin, Did you say safety???? , We must not forget I ( apology if misspelled) she was a hero during the 9 11 tragedy. We really need to defend our position and insist on our assigned seats. One thing to remember that has helped me, is to let them know that you have a guide dog before hand. JC and M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristin Mathe" To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted > Hi Ken and community, > > Beatrice and I are in Texas, but this topic speaks to me. I have been > relocated for at best questionable reasons in event venues as well. > Sometimes the excuse has been: "She'll be blocking access to the isle" as > if > everyone's knees aren't. Other times the staff seem concerned that Beatrice > would just be better off somewhere else, or it would be easier to get to > some sets off in a corner. It's reached the point that I've politely > thanked the staff and proceeded to my seat that was originally assigned > when > their concern is a matter of convenience. It's harder with the safety > claims, which quite frankly I think are contrived because the dog wants to > evacuate a burning building just as much as the other theater goers. We > still have a ways to go in changing the custodial mindset of many people. > So, while I don't have any sage advice, Ken is not alone in this > frustration. > > KM > > >>From: "Juliett Cody" >>Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >>To: >>Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted >>Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:06:59 -0700 >> >>Hello Ken and family, >>Wow, I am very sorry the three of you had a bad experience. Loosing it was >>wrong, but I understand. There are times that it happens. Please let us >>know what happens and if anyone knows anything that can vbe of some help >>to Ken and Velvet an Gulliver, please post it. >> >>JC and M >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ken Volonte >> To: Cagdu >> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:43 PM >> Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted >> >> >> Hi all. Last night, Velvet and I went to a Josh Groban concert at the >>Stockton Arena. We had bought tickets well in advance because Velvet >>can't >>climb steps. We had seats at floor level 1 section 9. >> >> When we showed our tickets to the arena staff, we were repeatedly >>told, "You're up front on the floor". We walked through accompanied by an >>usher, but when he realized who we were: a blind man with a guide dog and >>a >>lady with a cane, our section magically didn't exist any more. "I can't >>tell if that's... see how this here is underlined... Kathie will take care >>of you. She's a supervisor", and off he went into the crowd. >> >> Kathie instructed us to follow her back the way we'd just come. >> She >>just left us standing and took off with our tickets. >> >> Finally, Velvet couldn't stand any more and I was getting more >>irritated by the minute. There were six chairs near to where we were, and >>we sat down. After maybe fifteen minutes, six women approached us and >>demanded that we move. Kathie was with them, and she insisted that we >>again follow her. We were seated on the far right of the arena sitting >>sideways to the stage. Velvet kept insisting that this wasn't right, that >>we had paid for floor tickets and that they had been taken from us. >> >> Finally, Josh Groban's security man came up to us and demanded to >>see our tickets. "This is where you're supposed to be. What's the >>problem"? >> >> Velvet explained that these were not our assigned seats, that our >>tickets had been traded out for these seats. The security man then >>questioned me. "You bought two seats? With the dog you didn't buy >>three?" >> >> A reasonable man would have just pulled out his law card, but to my >>shame, I lost it. I really lost it. His question cast me right back to >>the 70s. I think that the reason it had such an effect on me was that all >>control and hope for what should have been an orderly entrance and >>enjoyable evening were dashed. "If you want to enjoy the rest of the >>show", Mr. Security went on, "then you're going to have to speak to me >>with >>the respect I've shown you". >> >> "I'm sorry", I said. >> >> "What was that, I didn't hear you." >> >> "I will enjoy the show", but the experience was just wrong. >> >> Velvet and I have been to many venues and we've always had a good >>time. Where accommodations have had to be made, they have been undertaken >>with grace and good will on both sides. All we wanted was to be shown to >>the seats to which we were assigned. Instead, we were marginalized. I >>admit some responsibility for this because I lost my temper; but >>sometimes, >>when you have been warn down, all you can do is yell. >> >> On Monday, Velvet and I shall attempt to talk to the management of >>the Stockton Arena. We will present our arguments in a reasonable >>fashion. >> >> This is not the first time something like this has happened to us >> at >>this venue. The first time, Velvet fell amid a whole scrum of people and >>nobody helped at all. >> >> Progress can be hard even when the law and common sense are on your >>side. >> >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cagdu mailing list >> Cagdu at nfbcal.org >> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Cagdu mailing list >>Cagdu at nfbcal.org >>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > _________________________________________________________________ > Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to > win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From kenvolonte at comcast.net Sun Aug 26 17:19:58 2007 From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:19:58 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted References: <001301c7e781$7f904ff0$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> <8C9B610378A576A-7B4-5271@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001101c7e840$00641b20$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Hi gang. I'd like to respond to one suggestion that it really helps to let people know ahead of time that you have a guide dog. Why is it any of their business? Either guide dogs are accepted or they are not. I've said this before; and I will not sit idly by while Cagdu takes the same tack as the guide dog schools. They're wrong too. Things are getting worse for us and for our dogs. It's a reversal on that car commercial. Perception is reality. I gotta go. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted > Ken and Family, > I don't have a guide dog . It's not necessary for the venue to treat > you that way at all. In my opinion they treated you like a second class > citizen. I totally agree with everybody on this. I think we should > educate the public on this if possible so it doesn't happen any more. I > keep thinking about the golden rule.I don't blame you for getting upset > at all. Issues like these are really upsetting to everybody . There > have many times I have been when people have relocated me from one > place to another due to different reasons. Well good luck in getting it > resolved. We are behind you a 100% in this. Our support is allso with > you and your family. Have a great week. > Leaner and Family > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Juliet Cody > To: kmathe at tamu.edu; cagdu at nfbcal.org > Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted > > > > > > > Good point Kristin, > > Did you say safety???? > , We must not forget I ( apology if misspelled) she was a hero during > the 9 > 11 tragedy. We really need to defend our position and insist on our > assigned > seats. One thing to remember that has helped me, is to let them know > that > you have a guide dog before hand. > > JC and M > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kristin Mathe" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted > > >> Hi Ken and community, >> >> Beatrice and I are in Texas, but this topic speaks to me. I have been >> relocated for at best questionable reasons in event venues as well. >> Sometimes the excuse has been: "She'll be blocking access to the > isle" as >> if >> everyone's knees aren't. Other times the staff seem concerned that > Beatrice >> would just be better off somewhere else, or it would be easier to get > to >> some sets off in a corner. It's reached the point that I've politely >> thanked the staff and proceeded to my seat that was originally > assigned >> when >> their concern is a matter of convenience. It's harder with the safety >> claims, which quite frankly I think are contrived because the dog > wants to >> evacuate a burning building just as much as the other theater goers. > We >> still have a ways to go in changing the custodial mindset of many > people. >> So, while I don't have any sage advice, Ken is not alone in this >> frustration. >> >> KM >> >> >>>From: "Juliett Cody" >>>Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >>>To: >>>Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted >>>Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:06:59 -0700 >>> >>>Hello Ken and family, >>>Wow, I am very sorry the three of you had a bad experience. Loosing > it was >>>wrong, but I understand. There are times that it happens. Please let > us >>>know what happens and if anyone knows anything that can vbe of some > help >>>to Ken and Velvet an Gulliver, please post it. >>> >>>JC and M >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ken Volonte >>> To: Cagdu >>> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:43 PM >>> Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted >>> >>> >>> Hi all. Last night, Velvet and I went to a Josh Groban concert at > the >>>Stockton Arena. We had bought tickets well in advance because Velvet >>>can't >>>climb steps. We had seats at floor level 1 section 9. >>> >>> When we showed our tickets to the arena staff, we were > repeatedly >>>told, "You're up front on the floor". We walked through accompanied > by an >>>usher, but when he realized who we were: a blind man with a guide dog > and >>>a >>>lady with a cane, our section magically didn't exist any more. "I > can't >>>tell if that's... see how this here is underlined... Kathie will take > care >>>of you. She's a supervisor", and off he went into the crowd. >>> >>> Kathie instructed us to follow her back the way we'd just > come. >>> She >>>just left us standing and took off with our tickets. >>> >>> Finally, Velvet couldn't stand any more and I was getting more >>>irritated by the minute. There were six chairs near to where we > were, and >>>we sat down. After maybe fifteen minutes, six women approached us and >>>demanded that we move. Kathie was with them, and she insisted that we >>>again follow her. We were seated on the far right of the arena > sitting >>>sideways to the stage. Velvet kept insisting that this wasn't right, > that >>>we had paid for floor tickets and that they had been taken from us. >>> >>> Finally, Josh Groban's security man came up to us and demanded > to >>>see our tickets. "This is where you're supposed to be. What's the >>>problem"? >>> >>> Velvet explained that these were not our assigned seats, that > our >>>tickets had been traded out for these seats. The security man then >>>questioned me. "You bought two seats? With the dog you didn't buy >>>three?" >>> >>> A reasonable man would have just pulled out his law card, but > to my >>>shame, I lost it. I really lost it. His question cast me right back > to >>>the 70s. I think that the reason it had such an effect on me was > that all >>>control and hope for what should have been an orderly entrance and >>>enjoyable evening were dashed. "If you want to enjoy the rest of the >>>show", Mr. Security went on, "then you're going to have to speak to > me >>>with >>>the respect I've shown you". >>> >>> "I'm sorry", I said. >>> >>> "What was that, I didn't hear you." >>> >>> "I will enjoy the show", but the experience was just wrong. >>> >>> Velvet and I have been to many venues and we've always had a > good >>>time. Where accommodations have had to be made, they have been > undertaken >>>with grace and good will on both sides. All we wanted was to be > shown to >>>the seats to which we were assigned. Instead, we were marginalized. > I >>>admit some responsibility for this because I lost my temper; but >>>sometimes, >>>when you have been warn down, all you can do is yell. >>> >>> On Monday, Velvet and I shall attempt to talk to the > management of >>>the Stockton Arena. We will present our arguments in a reasonable >>>fashion. >>> >>> This is not the first time something like this has happened to > us >>> at >>>this venue. The first time, Velvet fell amid a whole scrum of people > and >>>nobody helped at all. >>> >>> Progress can be hard even when the law and common sense are on > your >>>side. >>> >>> >>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cagdu mailing list >>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org >>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Cagdu mailing list >>>Cagdu at nfbcal.org >>>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your > chance to >> win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cagdu mailing list >> Cagdu at nfbcal.org >> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: 8/25/2007 > 5:00 PM > > From rstigile at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 26 18:47:43 2007 From: rstigile at sbcglobal.net (robert stigile) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:47:43 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted Message-ID: <200708270213.l7R2Dci0001646@lothlorien.nfbcal.org> Hello Ken and All, I agree with you Ken. It is not their business to know that you are coming with a guide dog in advance. The only time I feel it is necessary to tell someone in advance is when you are going on a cruise and they need to know so they can provide adequate accomadations on the ship for the dog. A concert hall, a sporting arena or airlines do not need to know for they do not need to provide any additional accomadations other then what they provide for any paying customer. I hope this helps anyone who might be wondering. Take care and good luck tomorrow Ken. Regards, Robert Stigile > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken Volonte" To: Date sent: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:19:58 -0700 >Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted >Hi gang. I'd like to respond to one suggestion that it really helps to let >people know ahead of time that you have a guide dog. Why is it any of their >business? Either guide dogs are accepted or they are not. I've said this >before; and I will not sit idly by while Cagdu takes the same tack as the >guide dog schools. They're wrong too. Things are getting worse for us and >for our dogs. It's a reversal on that car commercial. Perception is reality. >I gotta go. >----- Original Message ----- >From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:52 AM >Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted >> Ken and Family, >> I don't have a guide dog . It's not necessary for the venue to treat >> you that way at all. In my opinion they treated you like a second class >> citizen. I totally agree with everybody on this. I think we should >> educate the public on this if possible so it doesn't happen any more. I >> keep thinking about the golden rule.I don't blame you for getting upset >> at all. Issues like these are really upsetting to everybody . There >> have many times I have been when people have relocated me from one >> place to another due to different reasons. Well good luck in getting it >> resolved. We are behind you a 100% in this. Our support is allso with >> you and your family. Have a great week. >> Leaner and Family >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Juliet Cody > To: kmathe at tamu.edu; cagdu at nfbcal.org >> Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 6:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted >> Good point Kristin, >> Did you say safety???? >> , We must not forget I ( apology if misspelled) she was a hero during >> the 9 >> 11 tragedy. We really need to defend our position and insist on our >> assigned >> seats. One thing to remember that has helped me, is to let them know >> that >> you have a guide dog before hand. >> JC and M >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kristin Mathe" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted >>> Hi Ken and community, >>> Beatrice and I are in Texas, but this topic speaks to me. I have been >>> relocated for at best questionable reasons in event venues as well. >>> Sometimes the excuse has been: "She'll be blocking access to the >> isle" as >>> if >>> everyone's knees aren't. Other times the staff seem concerned that >> Beatrice >>> would just be better off somewhere else, or it would be easier to get >> to >>> some sets off in a corner. It's reached the point that I've politely >>> thanked the staff and proceeded to my seat that was originally >> assigned >>> when >>> their concern is a matter of convenience. It's harder with the safety >>> claims, which quite frankly I think are contrived because the dog >> wants to >>> evacuate a burning building just as much as the other theater goers. >> We >>> still have a ways to go in changing the custodial mindset of many >> people. >>> So, while I don't have any sage advice, Ken is not alone in this >>> frustration. >>> KM >>>>From: "Juliett Cody" >>>Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >>>>To: >>>Subject: Re: [Cagdu] twice shafted >>>>Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:06:59 -0700 >>>>Hello Ken and family, >>>>Wow, I am very sorry the three of you had a bad experience. Loosing >> it was >>>>wrong, but I understand. There are times that it happens. Please let >> us >>>>know what happens and if anyone knows anything that can vbe of some >> help >>>>to Ken and Velvet an Gulliver, please post it. >>>>JC and M >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Ken Volonte >>>> To: Cagdu >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:43 PM >>>> Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted >>>> Hi all. Last night, Velvet and I went to a Josh Groban concert at >> the >>>>Stockton Arena. We had bought tickets well in advance because Velvet >>>>can't >>>>climb steps. We had seats at floor level 1 section 9. >>>> When we showed our tickets to the arena staff, we were >> repeatedly >>>>told, "You're up front on the floor". We walked through accompanied >> by an >>>>usher, but when he realized who we were: a blind man with a guide dog >> and >>>>a >>>>lady with a cane, our section magically didn't exist any more. "I >> can't >>>>tell if that's... see how this here is underlined... Kathie will take >> care >>>>of you. She's a supervisor", and off he went into the crowd. >>>> Kathie instructed us to follow her back the way we'd just >> come. >>>> She >>>>just left us standing and took off with our tickets. >>>> Finally, Velvet couldn't stand any more and I was getting more >>>>irritated by the minute. There were six chairs near to where we >> were, and >>>>we sat down. After maybe fifteen minutes, six women approached us and >>>>demanded that we move. Kathie was with them, and she insisted that we >>>>again follow her. We were seated on the far right of the arena >> sitting >>>>sideways to the stage. Velvet kept insisting that this wasn't right, >> that >>>>we had paid for floor tickets and that they had been taken from us. >>>> Finally, Josh Groban's security man came up to us and demanded >> to >>>>see our tickets. "This is where you're supposed to be. What's the >>>>problem"? >>>> Velvet explained that these were not our assigned seats, that >> our >>>>tickets had been traded out for these seats. The security man then >>>>questioned me. "You bought two seats? With the dog you didn't buy >>>>three?" >>>> A reasonable man would have just pulled out his law card, but >> to my >>>>shame, I lost it. I really lost it. His question cast me right back >> to >>>>the 70s. I think that the reason it had such an effect on me was >> that all >>>>control and hope for what should have been an orderly entrance and >>>>enjoyable evening were dashed. "If you want to enjoy the rest of the >>>>show", Mr. Security went on, "then you're going to have to speak to >> me >>>>with >>>>the respect I've shown you". >>>> "I'm sorry", I said. >>>> "What was that, I didn't hear you." >>>> "I will enjoy the show", but the experience was just wrong. >>>> Velvet and I have been to many venues and we've always had a >> good >>>>time. Where accommodations have had to be made, they have been >> undertaken >>>>with grace and good will on both sides. All we wanted was to be >> shown to >>>>the seats to which we were assigned. Instead, we were marginalized. >> I >>>>admit some responsibility for this because I lost my temper; but >>>>sometimes, >>>>when you have been warn down, all you can do is yell. >>>> On Monday, Velvet and I shall attempt to talk to the >> management of >>>>the Stockton Arena. We will present our arguments in a reasonable >>>>fashion. >>>> This is not the first time something like this has happened to >> us >>>> at >>>>this venue. The first time, Velvet fell amid a whole scrum of people >> and >>>>nobody helped at all. >>>> Progress can be hard even when the law and common sense are on >> your >>>>side. >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- ------ >> ------- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Cagdu mailing list >>>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org >>>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Cagdu mailing list >>>>Cagdu at nfbcal.org >>>>https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your >> chance to >>> win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cagdu mailing list >>> Cagdu at nfbcal.org >>> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >> _______________________________________________ >> Cagdu mailing list >> Cagdu at nfbcal.org >> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >> _________________________________________________________________ _______ >> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - >> http://mail.aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Cagdu mailing list >> Cagdu at nfbcal.org >> https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: 8/25/2007 >> 5:00 PM >_______________________________________________ >Cagdu mailing list >Cagdu at nfbcal.org >https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu From kenvolonte at comcast.net Sun Aug 26 20:12:12 2007 From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:12:12 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] good will Message-ID: <002001c7e858$1066b100$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Here's a further comment on telling people in advance that you have a guide dog. That only works if there has been a relationship of trust and mutual good will established. In this case, there was nothing of the sort. Not only did Velvet pay for floor tickets so that we would not have the problem of steps this time, but four people at the Arena told us that we would be seated according to our ticket assignment. That didn't happen; and tomorrow morning, me and V and G are going down there to find out just what went wrong. There have been other events in which the blind beep ball team have been maltreated by these guys. We're going to find out about that also. Then it's on to the media if we don't get anywhere. Maybe we'll plan a little direct action. Any of you up for it? Bye for now. Me -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not only did Velvet pay for floor tickets so that we would not have the problem of steps this time, but four people at the Arena told us that we would be seated according to our ticket assignment. That didn't happen; and tomorrow morning, me and V and G are going down there to find out just what went wrong. There have been other events in which the blind beep ball team have been maltreated by these guys. We're going to find out about that also. Then it's on to the media if we don't get anywhere. Maybe we'll plan a little direct action. Any of you up for it? Bye for now. Me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070827/30fcddfd/attachment.html From ecwogan at aol.com Mon Aug 27 15:29:21 2007 From: ecwogan at aol.com (ecwogan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:29:21 -0400 Subject: [Cagdu] good will In-Reply-To: <010201c7e8dd$56578060$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> References: <002001c7e858$1066b100$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> <010201c7e8dd$56578060$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> Message-ID: <8C9B710D9401EF9-8E4-90DF@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> Juliet, I try to help ken out but, I feel he is very upset about this. I try to give him positive feed back on this. Joe and I have talked about this and we came to a decision. We both think he is venting some of his frustration in this. I really don't like anybody to put cagdu and guide dog school down. We have all come a long way baby. I really hope you understand in this position. I really hope ken gets its resolved. Have a great week. leaner and family:) -----Original Message----- From: Juliett Cody To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [Cagdu] good will Hello Ken and all, I understand what you are saying. ButI , have experienced including plays or other shows , where they have giving me more room etc... making it more pleasant for all involved. JC and M? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Volonte To: Cagdu Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: [Cagdu] good will Here's a further comment on telling people in advance that you have a guide dog.? That only works if there has been a relationship of trust and mutual good will established.? In this case, there was nothing of the sort.? Not only did Velvet pay for floor tickets so that we would not have the problem of steps this time, but four people at the Arena told us that we would be seated according to our ticket assignment.? That didn't happen; and tomorrow morning, me and V and G are going down there to find out just what went wrong.? ? ??? There have been other events in which the blind beep ball team have been maltreated by these guys.? We're going to find out about that also.? Then it's on to the media if we don't get anywhere.? Maybe we'll plan a little direct action.? Any of you up for it?? Bye for now.?Me _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com =0 From julietcody at cox.net Mon Aug 27 19:09:53 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliet Cody) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:09:53 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] good will References: <002001c7e858$1066b100$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e><010201c7e8dd$56578060$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> <8C9B710D9401EF9-8E4-90DF@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001901c7e918$85af17c0$7fcf6f44@userc702517819> Joe, Leener and Kits, I know what you mean but he is just upset. He needs to fix it and get over it, and I think he will. Love, JC Ps I got the scholarship from the NFB! Keep it to yourself for now. The reason sometimes people get jealous and we must guard ourself. Ask Joe, he is a wise man. Love Again, JC and M and Kittens ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] good will > Juliet, > I try to help ken out but, I feel he is very upset about this. I try to > give him positive feed back on this. Joe and I have talked about this > and we came to a decision. We both think he is venting some of his > frustration in this. I really don't like anybody to put cagdu and > guide dog school down. We have all come a long way baby. I really hope > you understand in this position. I really hope ken gets its resolved. > Have a great week. > leaner and family:) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Juliett Cody > To: cagdu at nfbcal.org > Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:06 pm > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] good will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ken and all, > I understand what you are saying. ButI , have > experienced including plays or other shows , where they have giving me > more room > etc... making it more pleasant for all involved. > JC and M > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Ken > Volonte > To: Cagdu > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:12 > PM > Subject: [Cagdu] good will > > > Here's a further comment on telling people in > advance that you have a guide dog. That only works if there has been > a > relationship of trust and mutual good will established. In this > case, > there was nothing of the sort. Not only did Velvet pay for floor > tickets > so that we would not have the problem of steps this time, but four > people at > the Arena told us that we would be seated according to our ticket > assignment. That didn't happen; and tomorrow morning, me and V and G > are > going down there to find out just what went wrong. > > There have been other events > in which the blind beep ball team have been maltreated by these > guys. > We're going to find out about that also. Then it's on to the media > if we > don't get anywhere. Maybe we'll plan a little direct action. Any > of you up for it? Bye for now. Me > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing > list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > =0 > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > From julietcody at cox.net Mon Aug 27 19:25:01 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliet Cody) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:25:01 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] good will References: <002001c7e858$1066b100$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e><010201c7e8dd$56578060$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> <8C9B710D9401EF9-8E4-90DF@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006c01c7e91a$a327bb20$7fcf6f44@userc702517819> Hello Again, Another thing I forgot to mention is that Ken has had a guide dog for a long time, and he has dealt with a lot of stuff. In the past he has been able to work it out and I know Ken, you will do what you have to do and move on. If there is anything that we can do just let us know. JC and M Ps I made a mistake the scholarship I got is a CSUSM scholarship, sorry Joe, I was just teasing you about being jealous, but I do think that you would be a good guide dog user. I know only some of you will understand my Ps messeges, so I will take them off the list. . .. Sorry, JC and M ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] good will > Juliet, > I try to help ken out but, I feel he is very upset about this. I try to > give him positive feed back on this. Joe and I have talked about this > and we came to a decision. We both think he is venting some of his > frustration in this. I really don't like anybody to put cagdu and > guide dog school down. We have all come a long way baby. I really hope > you understand in this position. I really hope ken gets its resolved. > Have a great week. > leaner and family:) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Juliett Cody > To: cagdu at nfbcal.org > Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:06 pm > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] good will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ken and all, > I understand what you are saying. ButI , have > experienced including plays or other shows , where they have giving me > more room > etc... making it more pleasant for all involved. > JC and M > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Ken > Volonte > To: Cagdu > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:12 > PM > Subject: [Cagdu] good will > > > Here's a further comment on telling people in > advance that you have a guide dog. That only works if there has been > a > relationship of trust and mutual good will established. In this > case, > there was nothing of the sort. Not only did Velvet pay for floor > tickets > so that we would not have the problem of steps this time, but four > people at > the Arena told us that we would be seated according to our ticket > assignment. That didn't happen; and tomorrow morning, me and V and G > are > going down there to find out just what went wrong. > > There have been other events > in which the blind beep ball team have been maltreated by these > guys. > We're going to find out about that also. Then it's on to the media > if we > don't get anywhere. Maybe we'll plan a little direct action. Any > of you up for it? Bye for now. Me > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing > list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > =0 > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > From julietcody at cox.net Mon Aug 27 19:34:40 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliet Cody) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:34:40 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] convention it is business again Message-ID: <007301c7e91b$fc3355c0$7fcf6f44@userc702517819> Hello CAGDU Community: I finally receive the e-mail with all of the phone numbers and information from the National Yellow Cab president. He promise to come to one of our Beach Cities meeting. The invitation is for September. However , I think I would like to invite him to the convention meeting, but what do you CAGDU ERS think? Is that too far away? Please respond with your opinion asp, JC and M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070827/b68c2818/attachment.html From julietcody at cox.net Mon Aug 27 19:36:39 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliet Cody) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:36:39 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] Fw: Guide Dogs announces a new CEO Message-ID: <009e01c7e91c$42fd96a0$7fcf6f44@userc702517819> ----- Original Message ----- From: GDB Alumni Communications To: julietcody at cox.net Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: Guide Dogs announces a new CEO GUIDE DOGS FOR THE BLIND ANNOUNCES NEW CEO San Rafael, CA The Board of Directors of Guide Dogs for the Blind announced the appointment of Nancy E. S. Gardner as president and CEO. Gardner will begin on October 1, 2007, and replaces retiring CEO Bob Phillips, who has served in that capacity for six years. Gardner has extensive nonprofit experience and has served as the executive director of North Bay Regional Center (NBRC) for the past 15 years. North Bay Regional Center is a non-profit organization, serving nearly 6,900 persons with developmental disabilities in Sonoma, Solano and Napa Counties with an annual budget of nearly $110 million. "Although I will greatly miss NBRC and our community, this is an opportunity for me to merge my career passion for supporting persons with disabilities with my love for dogs," Gardner said. "It will be a great honor to lead this stellar organization in continuing to pursue its remarkable mission and its vision to 'use the power of partnering to improve quality of life.'" Guide Dogs for the Blind was founded in 1942 to aid servicemen blinded in WWII. Today, the organization nurtures and supports more than 2,150 Guide Dog partnerships, offering top-quality dogs, training and additional services free-of-charge. The international non-profit organization is headquartered in San Rafael, with a second campus near Portland, Oregon. It provides services to blind and visually impaired people throughout the United States and Canada and is supported entirely by private contributions. For more information, please visit www.guidedogs.com. Unsubscribe from receiving email, or change your email preferences. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070827/2fb81023/attachment.html From nanagp at dslextreme.com Mon Aug 27 19:40:34 2007 From: nanagp at dslextreme.com (Gail Paulson) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:40:34 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] convention it is business again References: <007301c7e91b$fc3355c0$7fcf6f44@userc702517819> Message-ID: <002a01c7e91c$cff9a8f0$8580b744@gail> Hi Juliet and all CAGDUers, I like the idea of him coming to the convention. I don't think it's too far away. He will feel the power of the NFB and will know what he is up against. Gail and Alton ----- Original Message ----- From: Juliet Cody To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:34 PM Subject: [Cagdu] convention it is business again Hello CAGDU Community: I finally receive the e-mail with all of the phone numbers and information from the National Yellow Cab president. He promise to come to one of our Beach Cities meeting. The invitation is for September. However , I think I would like to invite him to the convention meeting, but what do you CAGDU ERS think? Is that too far away? Please respond with your opinion asp, JC and M ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070827/a9546e88/attachment.html From ecwogan at aol.com Tue Aug 28 08:22:35 2007 From: ecwogan at aol.com (ecwogan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:22:35 -0400 Subject: [Cagdu] convention it is business again In-Reply-To: <007301c7e91b$fc3355c0$7fcf6f44@userc702517819> References: <007301c7e91b$fc3355c0$7fcf6f44@userc702517819> Message-ID: <8C9B79E65253042-9D4-E71@webmail-de04.sysops.aol.com> Juliet, I think it will a great idea to invite him to the convention. No i Think it isn't to far away at all. Congrats!. This my opinion and it would be interesting to have him there. Thank you ! Thank you!. Be careful for what you wish for. Please give me call and I will tell you the news and a story. I stoled Joe's coffee but, not really and I thought it was my cup. I heard you had bad weather and did you and Peter survive it? I left you a call to see if you were okay. Talk to you soon. L and family -----Original Message----- From: Juliet Cody To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 7:34 pm Subject: [Cagdu] convention it is business again Hello CAGDU Community: ? I finally receive the e-mail with all of the phone numbers and information from the National Yellow Cab president. He promise to come to one of our Beach Cities meeting. The invitation is for September. However?, I think I would like to invite him to the convention meeting, but what do you CAGDU ERS think? Is that too far away? ? Please respond with your opinion asp, ? JC and M _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com =0 From shannonldillon at hotmail.com Tue Aug 28 08:26:22 2007 From: shannonldillon at hotmail.com (Shannon L. Dillon) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:26:22 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] convention it is business again In-Reply-To: <007301c7e91b$fc3355c0$7fcf6f44@userc702517819> Message-ID: Depends on where he's located. I think I would explain both to him and let him decide. If he lives in So Cal, he may not want to come to Sac for just a day. SHANNON L. DILLON >From: "Juliet Cody" >Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >To: >Subject: [Cagdu] convention it is business again >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:34:40 -0700 > >Hello CAGDU Community: > >I finally receive the e-mail with all of the phone numbers and information >from the National Yellow Cab president. He promise to come to one of our >Beach Cities meeting. The invitation is for September. However , I think I >would like to invite him to the convention meeting, but what do you CAGDU >ERS think? Is that too far away? > >Please respond with your opinion asp, > >JC and M >_______________________________________________ >Cagdu mailing list >Cagdu at nfbcal.org >https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From ecwogan at aol.com Tue Aug 28 08:38:14 2007 From: ecwogan at aol.com (ecwogan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:38:14 -0400 Subject: [Cagdu] good will In-Reply-To: <001901c7e918$85af17c0$7fcf6f44@userc702517819> References: <002001c7e858$1066b100$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e><010201c7e8dd$56578060$94896f44@user1b3ecca35d> <8C9B710D9401EF9-8E4-90DF@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> <001901c7e918$85af17c0$7fcf6f44@userc702517819> Message-ID: <8C9B7A094DD1AA2-9D4-F86@webmail-de04.sysops.aol.com> Juliet, Thank you! I know he is a wise man. That is why I married him because He supports me. Ken needs to fix it and get over it. I know with our support he wil I know how some people are. I know things will get better for Ken. I totally agree in this line of Thinking. Have a great week. Talk to you soon. L&g and family -----Original Message----- From: Juliet Cody To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [Cagdu] good will Joe, Leener and Kits, I know what you mean but he is just upset. He needs to fix it and get over it, and I think he will. Love, JC Ps I got the scholarship from the NFB! Keep it to yourself for now. The reason sometimes people get jealous and we must guard ourself. Ask Joe, he is a wise man. Love Again, JC and M and Kittens ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] good will > Juliet, > I try to help ken out but, I feel he is very upset about this. I try to > give him positive feed back on this. Joe and I have talked about this > and we came to a decision. We both think he is venting some of his > frustration in this. I really don't like anybody to put cagdu and > guide dog school down. We have all come a long way baby. I really hope > you understand in this position. I really hope ken gets its resolved. > Have a great week. > leaner and family:) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Juliett Cody > To: cagdu at nfbcal.org > Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:06 pm > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] good will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ken and all, > I understand what you are saying. ButI , have > experienced including plays or other shows , where they have giving me > more room > etc... making it more pleasant for all involved. > JC and M > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Ken > Volonte > To: Cagdu > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:12 > PM > Subject: [Cagdu] good will > > > Here's a further comment on telling people in > advance that you have a guide dog. That only works if there has been > a > relationship of trust and mutual good will established. In this > case, > there was nothing of the sort. Not only did Velvet pay for floor > tickets > so that we would not have the problem of steps this time, but four > people at > the Arena told us that we would be seated according to our ticket > assignment. That didn't happen; and tomorrow morning, me and V and G > are > going down there to find out just what went wrong. > > There have been other events > in which the blind beep ball team have been maltreated by these > guys. > We're going to find out about that also. Then it's on to the media > if we > don't get anywhere. Maybe we'll plan a little direct action. Any > of you up for it? Bye for now. Me > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing > list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > =0 > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From tinadt at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 28 09:49:31 2007 From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (tina thomas ) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:49:31 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] good will In-Reply-To: <8C9B7A094DD1AA2-9D4-F86@webmail-de04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200708281657.l7SGv9FB027366@lothlorien.nfbcal.org> Okay, you all need to back off of Ken. He is not doing or saying anything wrong. Public access with our guide dogs has been an on going problem and we need to keep educating until we all are no longer treated as second class citizens. Some of us on this list have been working guide dogs for many years and can not only understand Ken's frustration, but also sympathize with what Ken is going through. Also, Ken is dealing with allot of issues with Gulliver being ill and aging and possible having to retire him vary soon. As some one who has had to retire dogs and deal with their illnesses and at the end having to make the difficult decision to put my long time companion down I really do understand the emotional roller coaster that Ken is on. Ken I support you completely on dealing with all of this. You hang in there, and if you need an ear to just listen give me A call. Talk to you soon. Your friends, Tina, Nina and Sicily **"Champions do more" Be sure to check out my online mall At: www.go4gold.biz -----Original Message----- From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf Of ecwogan at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:38 AM To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Subject: Re: [Cagdu] good will Juliet, Thank you! I know he is a wise man. That is why I married him because He supports me. Ken needs to fix it and get over it. I know with our support he wil I know how some people are. I know things will get better for Ken. I totally agree in this line of Thinking. Have a great week. Talk to you soon. L&g and family -----Original Message----- From: Juliet Cody To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [Cagdu] good will Joe, Leener and Kits, I know what you mean but he is just upset. He needs to fix it and get over it, and I think he will. Love, JC Ps I got the scholarship from the NFB! Keep it to yourself for now. The reason sometimes people get jealous and we must guard ourself. Ask Joe, he is a wise man. Love Again, JC and M and Kittens ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Cagdu] good will > Juliet, > I try to help ken out but, I feel he is very upset about this. I try to > give him positive feed back on this. Joe and I have talked about this > and we came to a decision. We both think he is venting some of his > frustration in this. I really don't like anybody to put cagdu and > guide dog school down. We have all come a long way baby. I really hope > you understand in this position. I really hope ken gets its resolved. > Have a great week. > leaner and family:) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Juliett Cody > To: cagdu at nfbcal.org > Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:06 pm > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] good will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ken and all, > I understand what you are saying. ButI , have > experienced including plays or other shows , where they have giving me > more room > etc... making it more pleasant for all involved. > JC and M > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Ken > Volonte > To: Cagdu > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:12 > PM > Subject: [Cagdu] good will > > > Here's a further comment on telling people in > advance that you have a guide dog. That only works if there has been > a > relationship of trust and mutual good will established. In this > case, > there was nothing of the sort. Not only did Velvet pay for floor > tickets > so that we would not have the problem of steps this time, but four > people at > the Arena told us that we would be seated according to our ticket > assignment. That didn't happen; and tomorrow morning, me and V and G > are > going down there to find out just what went wrong. > > There have been other events > in which the blind beep ball team have been maltreated by these > guys. > We're going to find out about that also. Then it's on to the media > if we > don't get anywhere. Maybe we'll plan a little direct action. Any > of you up for it? Bye for now. Me > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing > list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > =0 > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu > _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu From kenvolonte at comcast.net Tue Aug 28 15:43:57 2007 From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:43:57 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] last word Message-ID: <002501c7e9c4$ebc693b0$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Hi Juliet. I was upset by the events last Friday night, but being threatened with arrest will do that to you. This is a much bigger deal than just an episode between myself and the Stockton Arena. It has to do with how disabled people are treated at this venue across the board. People in my row weren't at all shocked or embarrassed when I lost my temper. One lady and her Grandmother were also forced into this Handicapped row only it was worse for them because they were whisked in an elevator up to the second floor. Then the Grandmother, in her walker had to walk to the other end of the Arena and walk down a ramp to these seats. The old woman was still scared at having to control her walker down a steep slant amid a few thousand people. This is a big deal. If I have to go to the media, then I will and thank Mike Peterson for the idea. Bye for now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070828/c77328c9/attachment.html From ecwogan at aol.com Tue Aug 28 16:43:51 2007 From: ecwogan at aol.com (ecwogan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:43:51 -0400 Subject: [Cagdu] convention it is business again In-Reply-To: <002a01c7e91c$cff9a8f0$8580b744@gail> References: <007301c7e91b$fc3355c0$7fcf6f44@userc702517819> <002a01c7e91c$cff9a8f0$8580b744@gail> Message-ID: <8C9B7E46C1A00EE-984-30E6@mblk-d39.sysops.aol.com> Gail, I totally agree with you on this of inviting him to the convention, It is a great idea. I know he will feel the power of the NFB and what he is up against. Leaner and Family -----Original Message----- From: Gail Paulson To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 7:40 pm Subject: Re: [Cagdu] convention it is business again Hi Juliet and all CAGDUers, I like the idea of him coming to the convention. I don't think it's too far away. He will feel the power of the NFB and will know what he is up against. Gail and Alton ----- Original Message ----- From: Juliet Cody To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:34 PM Subject: [Cagdu] convention it is business again Hello CAGDU Community: ? I finally receive the e-mail with all of the phone numbers and information from the National Yellow Cab president. He promise to come to one of our Beach Cities meeting. The invitation is for September. However?, I think I would like to invite him to the convention meeting, but what do you CAGDU ERS think? Is that too far away? ? Please respond with your opinion asp, ? JC and M _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com =0 From julietcody at cox.net Tue Aug 28 19:33:30 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliet Cody) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:33:30 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] last word References: <002501c7e9c4$ebc693b0$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Message-ID: <00cb01c7e9e4$fd245320$7fcf6f44@userc702517819> Hello Ken, When I said you needed to get over it, I meant you need to get over feeling bad about loosing it with the security guards. As I told you, we have all lost it at one time or another, and then regretted it. Also, I still believe that you will fix the problem. Please keep us informed as to happens, and sorry about the misunderstanding. Take Care, Love, JC and M ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Volonte To: julietcody at cox.com Cc: Cagdu Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: [Cagdu] last word Hi Juliet. I was upset by the events last Friday night, but being threatened with arrest will do that to you. This is a much bigger deal than just an episode between myself and the Stockton Arena. It has to do with how disabled people are treated at this venue across the board. People in my row weren't at all shocked or embarrassed when I lost my temper. One lady and her Grandmother were also forced into this Handicapped row only it was worse for them because they were whisked in an elevator up to the second floor. Then the Grandmother, in her walker had to walk to the other end of the Arena and walk down a ramp to these seats. The old woman was still scared at having to control her walker down a steep slant amid a few thousand people. This is a big deal. If I have to go to the media, then I will and thank Mike Peterson for the idea. Bye for now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070828/cf4ed894/attachment.html From ecwogan at aol.com Tue Aug 28 20:58:33 2007 From: ecwogan at aol.com (ecwogan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:58:33 -0400 Subject: [Cagdu] last word In-Reply-To: <00cb01c7e9e4$fd245320$7fcf6f44@userc702517819> References: <002501c7e9c4$ebc693b0$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> <00cb01c7e9e4$fd245320$7fcf6f44@userc702517819> Message-ID: <8C9B80800995050-7F0-391B@WEBMAIL-DC09.sysops.aol.com> Juliet, You said it well. Amen sister. You are my kind of friend. Enough is Enough. Hope you are having a great week in school. Please tell Peter" hello"for us. Hope to talk to you soon. Leaner and Family -----Original Message----- From: Juliet Cody To: cagdu at nfbcal.org Sent: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [Cagdu] last word Hello Ken, When I said you needed to get over it, I meant you need to get over feeling bad about loosing it with the security guards. As I told you, we have all lost it at one time or another, and then regretted it. Also, I still believe that you will fix the problem. Please keep us informed? as to happens,?and sorry about the misunderstanding. ? Take Care, Love, JC and M ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Volonte To: julietcody at cox.com Cc: Cagdu Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: [Cagdu] last word Hi Juliet.? I was upset by the events last Friday night, but being threatened with arrest will do that to you.? This is a much bigger deal than just an episode between myself and the Stockton Arena.? It has to do with how disabled people are treated at this venue across the board.? People in my row weren't at all shocked or embarrassed when I lost my temper.? One lady and her Grandmother were also forced into this Handicapped row only it was worse for them because they were whisked in an elevator up to the second floor.? Then the Grandmother, in her walker had to walk to the other end of the Arena and walk down a ramp to these seats.? The old woman was still scared at having to control her walker down a steep slant amid a few thousand people.? This is a big deal.? If I have to go to the media, then I will and thank Mike Peterson for the idea.? Bye for now. _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com =0 From its_mike at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 29 02:09:23 2007 From: its_mike at sbcglobal.net (Michael Peterson) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:09:23 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] last word References: <002501c7e9c4$ebc693b0$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Message-ID: <000d01c7ea1c$4b7d3870$6401a8c0@michael> Hi Ken. Your very welcome. The way your describing things now is as you say even more involved. Sounds like if someone has a disability whether or not they choose to be seated in said section they are forcibly put in the "disabled section" In addition to the guide dog situation a coalition might be doable if others are willing to get involved. I am not sure that is the way to go because it will emphasize the arena's problem locally but might take away from exposing the national problem of improper treatment to guide dog users Nationally. I think I'd work with the media and possibly set up an informational picket at some point preferably during a major event. Than depending on what the guide dog users as a group decided you could allow other groups to join a coalition. I can't make that decision. I don't know if any class action could be taken but certainly a media action could. Some of you might remember when we tried to save the Client assistance program in Sacramento. We had the NFB the GLAD and I think some other groups working in an alliance. I think Dr Jernigan put it nicely in one of his final speeches when he said in essence we can't live in an embattled camp forever, we have to move with the times but we do know how to fight and we can and will when we have to. I don't know how long it will be before any action takes place, but if it's financially doable Terra and I will do what we can to help, carrying signs, passing out literature whatever you need. We're not guide dog users at this time but your battle is our battle when it educates the public and helps the world to be a more positive place for blind individuals to live and work in their community. Whether now is the time of action or you decide it's a battle for a later day keep your head up. Choose your battles carefully and we together will eat the elephant one bite at a time. The vulture sits in the branch of a yonder tree and we see where the wings join the shaft. God Bless: Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Volonte To: julietcody at cox.com Cc: Cagdu Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: [Cagdu] last word Hi Juliet. I was upset by the events last Friday night, but being threatened with arrest will do that to you. This is a much bigger deal than just an episode between myself and the Stockton Arena. It has to do with how disabled people are treated at this venue across the board. People in my row weren't at all shocked or embarrassed when I lost my temper. One lady and her Grandmother were also forced into this Handicapped row only it was worse for them because they were whisked in an elevator up to the second floor. Then the Grandmother, in her walker had to walk to the other end of the Arena and walk down a ramp to these seats. The old woman was still scared at having to control her walker down a steep slant amid a few thousand people. This is a big deal. If I have to go to the media, then I will and thank Mike Peterson for the idea. Bye for now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070829/144b76f3/attachment.html From kenvolonte at comcast.net Wed Aug 29 13:50:51 2007 From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:50:51 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] dialog Message-ID: <003f01c7ea7e$48ff0580$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Kevin Curren, customer Care representative for the Stockton Arena has so far refused to talk to either Velvet or myself about the events of last Friday night. We're now going down to the Arena with as much paper work as we can pull together. All we want is for people with disabilities to be treated with respect and in a professional manner. There's no need for them to do anything but listen to our concerns. Wish us luck. Ken and Velvet and Gulliver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070829/ef6b0393/attachment.html From julietcody at cox.net Wed Aug 29 14:34:24 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:34:24 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] dialog References: <003f01c7ea7e$48ff0580$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Message-ID: <02a801c7ea84$5e9defe0$708a6f44@user1b3ecca35d> Ken and Velvet, You go! Good luck, we are behind you! Please let us know what happens. Love, JC and M ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Volonte To: Cagdu Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: [Cagdu] dialog Kevin Curren, customer Care representative for the Stockton Arena has so far refused to talk to either Velvet or myself about the events of last Friday night. We're now going down to the Arena with as much paper work as we can pull together. All we want is for people with disabilities to be treated with respect and in a professional manner. There's no need for them to do anything but listen to our concerns. Wish us luck. Ken and Velvet and Gulliver ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070829/4d6ff04d/attachment.html From nfbcal at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 29 14:09:31 2007 From: nfbcal at sbcglobal.net (Robert Stigile) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:09:31 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] dialog Message-ID: <200708292135.l7TLZ84v005012@lothlorien.nfbcal.org> Hello Ken, Good luck. Remember, that it is best to get ahead when you stay calm, and that all you want, is to be treated with respect. I know you will do this, and I am looking forward to you letting us know what happens. Take care, Robert Stigile > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken Volonte" To: "Cagdu" Date sent: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:50:51 -0700 >Subject: [Cagdu] dialog >Kevin Curren, customer Care representative for the Stockton Arena has so far refused to talk to either Velvet or myself about the events of last Friday night. We're now going down to the Arena with as much paper work as we can pull together. All we want is for people with disabilities to be treated with respect and in a professional manner. There's no need for them to do anything but listen to our concerns. Wish us luck. Ken and Velvet and Gulliver From manongrassyknoll at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 15:13:00 2007 From: manongrassyknoll at gmail.com (luis g) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:13:00 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] convention it is business again In-Reply-To: <8C9B7E46C1A00EE-984-30E6@mblk-d39.sysops.aol.com> References: <007301c7e91b$fc3355c0$7fcf6f44@userc702517819> <002a01c7e91c$cff9a8f0$8580b744@gail> <8C9B7E46C1A00EE-984-30E6@mblk-d39.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3de2c5e10708291513w3b85e068j2a4c9bf5f6b729fe@mail.gmail.com> I Agree with Shannon. If the president of the cab company knows his options then he can't say it was on short notice or a comnflict in business schedule. Not that he would look for an excuse to get out of it. we just can't leave stones unturned. Plus this willl help maintain a healthy communication between us. That's my two cents worth... If that. luis From shannonldillon at hotmail.com Wed Aug 29 15:31:17 2007 From: shannonldillon at hotmail.com (Shannon L. Dillon) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:31:17 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] dialog In-Reply-To: <003f01c7ea7e$48ff0580$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Message-ID: Hi Ken: The incident you describe is very disturbing. We?d all like to think we could stay perfectly cool, but when it comes right down to it, the events you wrote about are upsetting just to read about. I can understand how you would have been really angry. That doesn?t make the arena?s actions okay. It doesn?t matter how you reacted. It is the conduct of the representatives in the arena that is the issue. An attorney with legal expertise in this area would be in a better position than I to say for certain, but to me your incident sounds legally actionable. Keep track of the names of everyone you spoke to and when you spoke to them. As soon as possible, write down a detailed account of everything that happened. Your memory will change the farther you get from the incident so you should really try to record everything that you remember as soon as possible. Good luck. I can?t wait to hear how things go. It sounds like they haven?t been willing to talk to you. This in itself may be a pretty good indication that they know they messed up. -Shannon SHANNON L. DILLON >From: "Ken Volonte" >Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >To: "Cagdu" >Subject: [Cagdu] dialog >Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:50:51 -0700 > >Kevin Curren, customer Care representative for the Stockton Arena has so >far refused to talk to either Velvet or myself about the events of last >Friday night. We're now going down to the Arena with as much paper work as >we can pull together. All we want is for people with disabilities to be >treated with respect and in a professional manner. There's no need for >them to do anything but listen to our concerns. Wish us luck. Ken and >Velvet and Gulliver >_______________________________________________ >Cagdu mailing list >Cagdu at nfbcal.org >https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu _________________________________________________________________ Now you can see trouble?before he arrives http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 From manongrassyknoll at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 15:40:40 2007 From: manongrassyknoll at gmail.com (luis g) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:40:40 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] twice shafted In-Reply-To: <200708270213.l7R2Dci0001646@lothlorien.nfbcal.org> References: <200708270213.l7R2Dci0001646@lothlorien.nfbcal.org> Message-ID: <3de2c5e10708291540r7e759adbxcae870e42ae050a4@mail.gmail.com> Sorry to weigh in late in the game. More power to you ken. I hope everything went well. You had all the right to be there and if they stuck you in lame seats that is no good. I'm sure if one of those ushers or supervisors were shafted like that they would not take it lying down. You were not asking for the row you were in to be vacated you just wanted to get to your seat you purchased because Velvet doesn't do well with steps perfectly reasonable. At least to a layman. We will help you in any way we can. Do let us know what happened after all. luis From kenvolonte at comcast.net Thu Aug 30 17:11:35 2007 From: kenvolonte at comcast.net (Ken Volonte) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:11:35 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] we won! Message-ID: <001601c7eb63$7ed3fc20$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Hi all. Velvet and I met with Jaquie James, director and general manager of the Stockton Arena along with Kevin Curin, director, customer relations. We told them of our experience last Friday night. It felt like we went through it frame by frame. At one point, Jaquie said that she had some notes that might be pertinent to the incident. It seems that Mr. Groban had requested a change in the seating only 1 hour before people started arriving. This explains why our usher said that he didn't know where our seats had gone. They really weren't available any more. This was so that Mr. Groban could pretend to be a super star. The seats he took out of play were filled with "adoring fans who threw flowers at him and with little kids who he would sign cds for at strategic moments in the show. When we told of the joke made about buying three seats, one for the dog, Jaquie gasped. The telling of the story involved the production of paper work on our side and a detailed map on their side. At the end of an hour, Jaquie promised to refund all of our money and Kevin asked if we would be willing to participate in training for the staff to make sure that this doesn't happen again. Sometimes it's easy when common sense and the law are on your side. The refund was a complete surprise, as was the invitation to attend the circus next month. "This will be a real test as to whether the staff gets it that people can't just be pushed around like you were". This was from Kevin. At the end of it all, we shook hands all around and Jaquie thanked us for taking so much time to explain things in such detail. "Thanks for not yelling at us. I would have punched the guy", she said. She even got a kiss from Gulliver. Bye for now. See you on the telephone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070830/939f1cb7/attachment.html From julietcody at cox.net Thu Aug 30 17:46:38 2007 From: julietcody at cox.net (Juliett Cody) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:46:38 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] we won! References: <001601c7eb63$7ed3fc20$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Message-ID: <01a601c7eb68$63ffe7b0$708a6f44@user1b3ecca35d> ken, VELVET AND GULLIVER, CONGRATULATIONS!!! THE THREE OF YOU ARE THE STARS!!! FLOWERS TO YOU AND PLEASE TAKE A PICTURE AT THE CIRCUS AND WRITE A STORY FOR OUR WEBSITE!!! LOVE, JULIET AND MARLY ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Volonte To: Cagdu Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:11 PM Subject: [Cagdu] we won! Hi all. Velvet and I met with Jaquie James, director and general manager of the Stockton Arena along with Kevin Curin, director, customer relations. We told them of our experience last Friday night. It felt like we went through it frame by frame. At one point, Jaquie said that she had some notes that might be pertinent to the incident. It seems that Mr. Groban had requested a change in the seating only 1 hour before people started arriving. This explains why our usher said that he didn't know where our seats had gone. They really weren't available any more. This was so that Mr. Groban could pretend to be a super star. The seats he took out of play were filled with "adoring fans who threw flowers at him and with little kids who he would sign cds for at strategic moments in the show. When we told of the joke made about buying three seats, one for the dog, Jaquie gasped. The telling of the story involved the production of paper work on our side and a detailed map on their side. At the end of an hour, Jaquie promised to refund all of our money and Kevin asked if we would be willing to participate in training for the staff to make sure that this doesn't happen again. Sometimes it's easy when common sense and the law are on your side. The refund was a complete surprise, as was the invitation to attend the circus next month. "This will be a real test as to whether the staff gets it that people can't just be pushed around like you were". This was from Kevin. At the end of it all, we shook hands all around and Jaquie thanked us for taking so much time to explain things in such detail. "Thanks for not yelling at us. I would have punched the guy", she said. She even got a kiss from Gulliver. Bye for now. See you on the telephone. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070830/b7d9d01c/attachment.html From tinadt at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 30 17:32:19 2007 From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (tina thomas ) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:32:19 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] we won! In-Reply-To: <001601c7eb63$7ed3fc20$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Message-ID: <200708310059.l7V0xLbP018089@lothlorien.nfbcal.org> Good job Ken! I knew you would take care of the situation. Tina, Nina and Sicily **"Champions do more" Be sure to check out my online mall At: www.go4gold.biz _____ From: cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org [mailto:cagdu-bounces at nfbcal.org] On Behalf Of Ken Volonte Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:12 PM To: Cagdu Subject: [Cagdu] we won! Hi all. Velvet and I met with Jaquie James, director and general manager of the Stockton Arena along with Kevin Curin, director, customer relations. We told them of our experience last Friday night. It felt like we went through it frame by frame. At one point, Jaquie said that she had some notes that might be pertinent to the incident. It seems that Mr. Groban had requested a change in the seating only 1 hour before people started arriving. This explains why our usher said that he didn't know where our seats had gone. They really weren't available any more. This was so that Mr. Groban could pretend to be a super star. The seats he took out of play were filled with "adoring fans who threw flowers at him and with little kids who he would sign cds for at strategic moments in the show. When we told of the joke made about buying three seats, one for the dog, Jaquie gasped. The telling of the story involved the production of paper work on our side and a detailed map on their side. At the end of an hour, Jaquie promised to refund all of our money and Kevin asked if we would be willing to participate in training for the staff to make sure that this doesn't happen again. Sometimes it's easy when common sense and the law are on your side. The refund was a complete surprise, as was the invitation to attend the circus next month. "This will be a real test as to whether the staff gets it that people can't just be pushed around like you were". This was from Kevin. At the end of it all, we shook hands all around and Jaquie thanked us for taking so much time to explain things in such detail. "Thanks for not yelling at us. I would have punched the guy", she said. She even got a kiss from Gulliver. Bye for now. See you on the telephone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070830/3342b0ab/attachment.html From rstigile at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 30 17:46:57 2007 From: rstigile at sbcglobal.net (robert stigile) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:46:57 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] we won! Message-ID: <200708310112.l7V1CVbE003921@lothlorien.nfbcal.org> Hello Ken, I am pleased to hear that the discussion turned out positive. Very nice job by both you and Velvet. Take care, Robert Stigile > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken Volonte" To: "Cagdu" Date sent: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:11:35 -0700 >Subject: [Cagdu] we won! >Hi all. Velvet and I met with Jaquie James, director and general manager of the Stockton Arena along with Kevin Curin, director, customer relations. We told them of our experience last Friday night. It felt like we went through it frame by frame. At one point, Jaquie said that she had some notes that might be pertinent to the incident. It seems that Mr. Groban had requested a change in the seating only 1 hour before people started arriving. This explains why our usher said that he didn't know where our seats had gone. They really weren't available any more. This was so that Mr. Groban could pretend to be a super star. The seats he took out of play were filled with "adoring fans who threw flowers at him and with little kids who he would sign cds for at strategic moments in the show. > When we told of the joke made about buying three seats, one for the dog, Jaquie gasped. The telling of the story involved the production of paper work on our side and a detailed map on their side. > At the end of an hour, Jaquie promised to refund all of our money and Kevin asked if we would be willing to participate in training for the staff to make sure that this doesn't happen again. Sometimes it's easy when common sense and the law are on your side. The refund was a complete surprise, as was the invitation to attend the circus next month. "This will be a real test as to whether the staff gets it that people can't just be pushed around like you were". This was from Kevin. At the end of it all, we shook hands all around and Jaquie thanked us for taking so much time to explain things in such detail. "Thanks for not yelling at us. I would have punched the guy", she said. She even got a kiss from Gulliver. Bye for now. See you on the telephone. From simone at nz4eva.com Thu Aug 30 17:58:00 2007 From: simone at nz4eva.com (simone at nz4eva.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:58:00 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] we won! Message-ID: <20070830175800.3b5c87ae9330868dc86c038195920e91.9de6c0ec45.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Just goes to show ya': Being proactive instead of reactive, Conserves energy... ... and prevents ulcers! Good on ya', Ken Velvet & Gulliver! Cheers! Simone > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Cagdu] we won! > From: "Juliett Cody" > Date: Thu, August 30, 2007 5:46 pm > To: > > ken, VELVET AND GULLIVER, > > CONGRATULATIONS!!! THE THREE OF YOU ARE THE STARS!!! FLOWERS TO YOU AND PLEASE TAKE A PICTURE AT THE CIRCUS AND WRITE A STORY FOR OUR WEBSITE!!! > LOVE, > JULIET AND MARLY > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Volonte > To: Cagdu > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:11 PM > Subject: [Cagdu] we won! > > > Hi all. Velvet and I met with Jaquie James, director and general manager of the Stockton Arena along with Kevin Curin, director, customer relations. We told them of our experience last Friday night. It felt like we went through it frame by frame. At one point, Jaquie said that she had some notes that might be pertinent to the incident. It seems that Mr. Groban had requested a change in the seating only 1 hour before people started arriving. This explains why our usher said that he didn't know where our seats had gone. They really weren't available any more. This was so that Mr. Groban could pretend to be a super star. The seats he took out of play were filled with "adoring fans who threw flowers at him and with little kids who he would sign cds for at strategic moments in the show. > > When we told of the joke made about buying three seats, one for the dog, Jaquie gasped. The telling of the story involved the production of paper work on our side and a detailed map on their side. > > At the end of an hour, Jaquie promised to refund all of our money and Kevin asked if we would be willing to participate in training for the staff to make sure that this doesn't happen again. Sometimes it's easy when common sense and the law are on your side. The refund was a complete surprise, as was the invitation to attend the circus next month. "This will be a real test as to whether the staff gets it that people can't just be pushed around like you were". This was from Kevin. At the end of it all, we shook hands all around and Jaquie thanked us for taking so much time to explain things in such detail. "Thanks for not yelling at us. I would have punched the guy", she said. She even got a kiss from Gulliver. Bye for now. See you on the telephone. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu
_______________________________________________ > Cagdu mailing list > Cagdu at nfbcal.org > https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu From ecwogan at aol.com Thu Aug 30 20:08:59 2007 From: ecwogan at aol.com (ecwogan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:08:59 -0400 Subject: [Cagdu] we won! In-Reply-To: <001601c7eb63$7ed3fc20$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> References: <001601c7eb63$7ed3fc20$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Message-ID: <8C9B993693FCFCF-B50-1759@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> Ken,gulliver and velvet, I would like to congratulate you all on a job well done. I was told as I was growing up that persevere does pay off. I am glad you went in a great attitude and didn't give up. Also my grandmother even told me "that patience does pay off. Job well done. Leaner and family -----Original Message----- From: Ken Volonte To: Cagdu Sent: Thurs, 30 Aug 2007 5:11 PM Subject: [Cagdu] we won! Hi all.? Velvet and I met with Jaquie James, director and general manager of the Stockton Arena along with Kevin Curin, director, customer relations.? We told them of our experience last Friday night.? It felt like we went through it frame by frame.? At one point, Jaquie said that she had some notes that might be pertinent to the incident.? It seems that Mr. Groban had requested a change in the seating only 1 hour before people started arriving.? This explains why our usher said that he didn't know where our seats had gone.? They really weren't available any more.? This was so that Mr. Groban could pretend to be a super star.? The seats he took out of play were filled with "adoring fans who threw flowers at him and with little kids who he would sign cds for at strategic moments in the show.? ? ??? When we told of the joke made about buying three seats, one for the dog, Jaquie gasped.? The telling of the story involved the production of paper work on our side and a detailed map on their side.? ? ??? At the end of an hour, Jaquie promised to refund all of our money and Kevin asked if we would be willing to participate in training for the staff to make sure that this doesn't happen again.? Sometimes it's easy when common sense and the law are on your side.? The refund was a complete surprise, as was the invitation to attend the circus next month.? "This will be a real test as to whether the staff gets it that people can't just be pushed around like you were".? This was from Kevin.? At the end of it all, we shook hands all around and Jaquie thanked us for taking so much time to explain things in such detail.? "Thanks for not yelling at us.? I would have punched the guy", she said.?She even got a kiss from Gulliver.? Bye for now.?See you on the telephone.? ? _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com =0 From its_mike at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 31 00:48:07 2007 From: its_mike at sbcglobal.net (Michael Peterson) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:48:07 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] we won! References: <001601c7eb63$7ed3fc20$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Message-ID: <000e01c7eba3$460a3860$6401a8c0@michael> COngrads Ken and family. Great work! God Bless: Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Volonte To: Cagdu Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:11 PM Subject: [Cagdu] we won! Hi all. Velvet and I met with Jaquie James, director and general manager of the Stockton Arena along with Kevin Curin, director, customer relations. We told them of our experience last Friday night. It felt like we went through it frame by frame. At one point, Jaquie said that she had some notes that might be pertinent to the incident. It seems that Mr. Groban had requested a change in the seating only 1 hour before people started arriving. This explains why our usher said that he didn't know where our seats had gone. They really weren't available any more. This was so that Mr. Groban could pretend to be a super star. The seats he took out of play were filled with "adoring fans who threw flowers at him and with little kids who he would sign cds for at strategic moments in the show. When we told of the joke made about buying three seats, one for the dog, Jaquie gasped. The telling of the story involved the production of paper work on our side and a detailed map on their side. At the end of an hour, Jaquie promised to refund all of our money and Kevin asked if we would be willing to participate in training for the staff to make sure that this doesn't happen again. Sometimes it's easy when common sense and the law are on your side. The refund was a complete surprise, as was the invitation to attend the circus next month. "This will be a real test as to whether the staff gets it that people can't just be pushed around like you were". This was from Kevin. At the end of it all, we shook hands all around and Jaquie thanked us for taking so much time to explain things in such detail. "Thanks for not yelling at us. I would have punched the guy", she said. She even got a kiss from Gulliver. Bye for now. See you on the telephone. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cagdu mailing list Cagdu at nfbcal.org https://www.nfbcal.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/cagdu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nfbcal.org/pipermail/cagdu/attachments/20070831/75d28579/attachment.html From shannonldillon at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 08:11:31 2007 From: shannonldillon at hotmail.com (Shannon L. Dillon) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:11:31 -0700 Subject: [Cagdu] we won! In-Reply-To: <001601c7eb63$7ed3fc20$4078b543@ken5f734aa928e> Message-ID: Hi Ken: That is so awesome. Good job! SHANNON L. DILLON >From: "Ken Volonte" >Reply-To: cagdu at nfbcal.org >To: "Cagdu" >Subject: [Cagdu] we won! >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:11:35 -0700 > >Hi all. Velvet and I met with Jaquie James, director and general manager >of the Stockton Arena along with Kevin Curin, director, customer relations. > We told them of our experience last Friday night. It felt like we went >through it frame by frame. At one point, Jaquie said that she had some >notes that might be pertinent to the incident. It seems that Mr. Groban >had requested a change in the seating only 1 hour before people started >arriving. This explains why our usher said that he didn't know where our >seats had gone. They really weren't available any more. This was so that >Mr. Groban could pretend to be a super star. The seats he took out of play >were filled with "adoring fans who threw flowers at him and with little >kids who he would sign cds for at strategic moments in the show. > > When we told of the joke made about buying three seats, one for the >dog, Jaquie gasped. The telling of the story involved the production of >paper work on our side and a detailed map on their side. > > At the end of an hour, Jaquie promised to refund all of our money and >Kevin asked if we would be willing to participate in training for the staff >to make sure that this doesn't happen again. Sometimes it's easy when >common sense and the law are on your side. The refund was a complete >surprise, as was the invitation to attend the circus next month. "This >will be a real test as to whether the staff gets it that people can't just >be pushed around like you were". This was from Kevin. At the end of it >all, we shook hands all around and Jaquie thanked us for taking so much >time to explain things in such detail. "Thanks for not yelling at us. I >would have punched the guy", she said. She even got a kiss from Gulliver. >Bye for now. 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